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Quote from: grundy53 on February 23, 2019, 08:01:11 AMYet it was answered...The hypotheticals were answered by regular posters. BT did not actually give an answer, but supplied the applicable USC.
Yet it was answered...
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on February 23, 2019, 08:12:17 AMQuote from: grundy53 on February 23, 2019, 08:01:11 AMYet it was answered...The hypotheticals were answered by regular posters. BT did not actually give an answer, but supplied the applicable USC.Sorry I did not actually say the actual act of shooting from a USFS road was illegal. I figured posting the CFR saying the act of shooting from a road was illegal was sufficient.
Quote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 02:13:14 PMQuote from: Knocker of rocks on February 22, 2019, 02:04:49 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 01:59:13 PMSince when did I say he should be on here giving legal opinions without being a member of the bar? There's legit questions asked by many of members on here weekly. How doe's having a Warden on here to answer questions even possibly sound like a bad idea? Give a hypothetical question or twoHypothetical:1) I'm driving down a dirt USFS road grouse hunting. A blue grouse runs off the side of the road. I park my rig, get out, load my shotgun with a single shell, walk down the road and shoot the grouse as it attempts to fly away. Is this legal?2) I'm hunting whitetail in the NE during the late general season. I'm using my OnX maps very extensively because I'm in a serious state/private checkerboarded area. I find a 175" giant whitey standing on the edge of the timber on public land. Problem is, I won't have time to walk the 20 minutes around to attempt to harvest him. I'm standing on state ground with a small strip of private field in between me and the buck. Can I legally shoot from where I'm standing. Obviously the neighboring property and house of local guide Dale Denney is going to hear the shot and be well aware that I've just harvest a local legend. All eyes will be on me...…....Legal?And again, if these hypotheticals were answered in the affirmative and in similar situations another officer cited different individuals for infractions, the cited hunters would have a defense even if the first officer was in error in stating that the actions were legal. Again, all hypothetical I think both of those require a legal opinion to answer, hence an identifiable officer giving an answer is giving legal advice without being member of the bar.
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on February 22, 2019, 02:04:49 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 01:59:13 PMSince when did I say he should be on here giving legal opinions without being a member of the bar? There's legit questions asked by many of members on here weekly. How doe's having a Warden on here to answer questions even possibly sound like a bad idea? Give a hypothetical question or twoHypothetical:1) I'm driving down a dirt USFS road grouse hunting. A blue grouse runs off the side of the road. I park my rig, get out, load my shotgun with a single shell, walk down the road and shoot the grouse as it attempts to fly away. Is this legal?2) I'm hunting whitetail in the NE during the late general season. I'm using my OnX maps very extensively because I'm in a serious state/private checkerboarded area. I find a 175" giant whitey standing on the edge of the timber on public land. Problem is, I won't have time to walk the 20 minutes around to attempt to harvest him. I'm standing on state ground with a small strip of private field in between me and the buck. Can I legally shoot from where I'm standing. Obviously the neighboring property and house of local guide Dale Denney is going to hear the shot and be well aware that I've just harvest a local legend. All eyes will be on me...…....Legal?And again, if these hypotheticals were answered in the affirmative and in similar situations another officer cited different individuals for infractions, the cited hunters would have a defense even if the first officer was in error in stating that the actions were legal. Again, all hypothetical
Quote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 01:59:13 PMSince when did I say he should be on here giving legal opinions without being a member of the bar? There's legit questions asked by many of members on here weekly. How doe's having a Warden on here to answer questions even possibly sound like a bad idea? Give a hypothetical question or two
Since when did I say he should be on here giving legal opinions without being a member of the bar? There's legit questions asked by many of members on here weekly. How doe's having a Warden on here to answer questions even possibly sound like a bad idea?
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on February 22, 2019, 08:26:42 AMQuote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 08:00:44 AMQuote from: Woodchuck on February 22, 2019, 07:55:59 AMThere was one on here years ago and would openly answer questions, as I recall he was asked by his chain of command to not do that any more......and that's pathetic as hell. He doesn't have disclose his name, just that he's a warden.It's not WDFW, Alaska State Troopers and many police agencies have stopped this practice. He's is basically giving legal opinions without being a member of the bar. Also, what he stated on this or any other board could be used as a defence by somebody accused of a wildlife crime, even if the quoted statements are taken out of context. Too many issues. Would be a great resource but too many issues legally.
Quote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 08:00:44 AMQuote from: Woodchuck on February 22, 2019, 07:55:59 AMThere was one on here years ago and would openly answer questions, as I recall he was asked by his chain of command to not do that any more......and that's pathetic as hell. He doesn't have disclose his name, just that he's a warden.It's not WDFW, Alaska State Troopers and many police agencies have stopped this practice. He's is basically giving legal opinions without being a member of the bar. Also, what he stated on this or any other board could be used as a defence by somebody accused of a wildlife crime, even if the quoted statements are taken out of context. Too many issues.
Quote from: Woodchuck on February 22, 2019, 07:55:59 AMThere was one on here years ago and would openly answer questions, as I recall he was asked by his chain of command to not do that any more......and that's pathetic as hell. He doesn't have disclose his name, just that he's a warden.
There was one on here years ago and would openly answer questions, as I recall he was asked by his chain of command to not do that any more.
They like to keep the grey areas grey. It’s better revenue that way.
Not directly, it goes to into the general fund for the state, who then decides how to share it.
Quote from: Knocker of rocks on February 22, 2019, 02:18:52 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 02:13:14 PMQuote from: Knocker of rocks on February 22, 2019, 02:04:49 PMQuote from: MtnMuley on February 22, 2019, 01:59:13 PMSince when did I say he should be on here giving legal opinions without being a member of the bar? There's legit questions asked by many of members on here weekly. How doe's having a Warden on here to answer questions even possibly sound like a bad idea? Give a hypothetical question or twoHypothetical:1) I'm driving down a dirt USFS road grouse hunting. A blue grouse runs off the side of the road. I park my rig, get out, load my shotgun with a single shell, walk down the road and shoot the grouse as it attempts to fly away. Is this legal?2) I'm hunting whitetail in the NE during the late general season. I'm using my OnX maps very extensively because I'm in a serious state/private checkerboarded area. I find a 175" giant whitey standing on the edge of the timber on public land. Problem is, I won't have time to walk the 20 minutes around to attempt to harvest him. I'm standing on state ground with a small strip of private field in between me and the buck. Can I legally shoot from where I'm standing. Obviously the neighboring property and house of local guide Dale Denney is going to hear the shot and be well aware that I've just harvest a local legend. All eyes will be on me...…....Legal?And again, if these hypotheticals were answered in the affirmative and in similar situations another officer cited different individuals for infractions, the cited hunters would have a defense even if the first officer was in error in stating that the actions were legal. Again, all hypothetical I think both of those require a legal opinion to answer, hence an identifiable officer giving an answer is giving legal advice without being member of the bar.Now that's funny right there if you think about it. They can't tell you if it's legal or not because that's giving a legal opinion and they aren't qualified, but they are qualified to investigate and arrest you based on their unqualified view of the law. And that my friends is why the average person breaks three Federal laws per day and a slough of other laws.https://mises.org/library/decriminalize-average-man
There's one who I believe posted just yesterday. But as someone already said, they like to stay anonymous.