Permit quotas

[HoofsandWings]

It looks like there was an update to the previous quotas after the 2018 harvest report.
GMU 368 21-6 EA
GMU 360 32-6 EA
Peaches 58-10 EA
Observatory 57-20 EA
Goose P  53-7 EA

[bobcat]

Is this where you got those numbers?

[Magnum_Willys]

Wow!!  What did harvest stats show?  Way up or way down?

[Mfowl]

 Since when did 334 become part of the Observatory? Isn't there a no branch bull restriction there? I mean for us, not holier than though Governor tag holders.

[Ridgerunner]

Afraid this is just the beginning, once permits go down it is tough to get them back up.

[bobcat]

Since when did 334 become part of the Observatory? Isn't there a no branch bull restriction there? I mean for us, not holier than though Governor tag holders.

I think they might be adding bull permits for 334. It's mentioned here:




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[bobcat]

Wow!!  What did harvest stats show?  Way up or way down?

They say bull numbers are down by 50%.

[92xj]

What are the cow numbers?

[Stein]

Wow, tag reductions of over 70% in an area that took strong double digit points to have a reasonable chance.  That is absolutely devastating news to man of us.

I really can't wait for the GoHunt numbers to come out, it just may convince me to abandon ship without ever drawing a quality tag.

Seems like the only tool they mention is tag numbers.  I would hope that there is a more active management than adjusting the numbers of tags every year, I could write a program in Fortran to do that.

It would be nice if they could speak to the reason in the decline, where they are vs objective and what needs to happen if we are below objective if the reason was something other than normal fluctuation, abnormal weather or something that doesn't need to be actively addressed.

[Ghost Hunter]

Already bought permit apps.  Doubt a refund is an option.  Like I said, I'm vested in WA.   

[fishngamereaper]

I call bs..I spent  12 days last year in an Eastside unit during archery chasing bulls with a special permit..I saw a ton of bulls....herd health looked great.

And this doesn't include the 3 months of cam pictures I got of hundreds of elk..

[92xj]

A reason is easy.  Depredation killings in the winter of many cows that could have birthed the future population. A second reason is unregulated Indian killings. And a third for all the guys that don't own trail cameras, wolves.

[Magnum_Willys]

Wolves, natives, climate, permits.  Only management tool they can control is permits.  At least they recognize the decline.

[Stein]

Let's be honest, they could do much more about predators including lobbying for hounds, expand seasons, make the tags cheaper, aka what other states already do.  They could also be more aggressive in fighting lawsuits on feed sites and other issues.  They could work more closely with the tribe and if there are issues be more aggressive about keeping both sides of the agreements.  They could find friends in Olympia to help pass laws, stand behind them, fund activities, etc.  In other words, actually play the game and manage the wildlife.

On another note, Montana is expanding shoulder seasons because they have too many elk.

[vandeman17]

A reason is easy.  Depredation killings in the winter of many cows that could have birthed the future population. A second reason is unregulated Indian killings. And a third for all the guys that don't own trail cameras, wolves.