Conflict Goat draw?

[Stein]

WDFW certainly has a bend towards changing this back to how we believe they were at some random, undefined, time in the past.  The same thing is happening with fish.  A big push is coming from the environmental groups and there is no reason to believe it won't continue to march on, if not increasing in speed.

[jackelope]

WDFW certainly has a bend towards changing this back to how we believe they were at some random, undefined, time in the past.  The same thing is happening with fish.  A big push is coming from the environmental groups and there is no reason to believe it won't continue to march on, if not increasing in speed.

I might be wrong, but I think the goat move was a National Park project with help from the WDFW. 

[Stein]

WDFW certainly has a bend towards changing this back to how we believe they were at some random, undefined, time in the past.  The same thing is happening with fish.  A big push is coming from the environmental groups and there is no reason to believe it won't continue to march on, if not increasing in speed.

I might be wrong, but I think the goat move was a National Park project with help from the WDFW.

Yeah, I was commenting in general. 

In this instance, WDFW willingly spent money doing something that resulted in permanently less hunting opportunity.  Nobody forced them to act at all, or act in this manner when other options were available.  It's the way the department acts, when given an opportunity or asked to do something, they rarely, if ever, seriously consider sportsmen.

Look at the other states, they are constantly suing to defend or improve hunting opportunities.  They are fighting for the sportsmen.  I don't see the same attitude with WDFW.  I'm not really concerned with this happening in a bunch of other western states because their game agencies have a completely different attitude.

[jackelope]

WDFW certainly has a bend towards changing this back to how we believe they were at some random, undefined, time in the past.  The same thing is happening with fish.  A big push is coming from the environmental groups and there is no reason to believe it won't continue to march on, if not increasing in speed.

I might be wrong, but I think the goat move was a National Park project with help from the WDFW.

Yeah, I was commenting in general. 

In this instance, WDFW willingly spent money doing something that resulted in permanently less hunting opportunity.  Nobody forced them to act at all, or act in this manner when other options were available.  It's the way the department acts, when given an opportunity or asked to do something, they rarely, if ever, seriously consider sportsmen.

Look at the other states, they are constantly suing to defend or improve hunting opportunities.  They are fighting for the sportsmen.  I don't see the same attitude with WDFW.  I'm not really concerned with this happening in a bunch of other western states because their game agencies have a completely different attitude.

I'm definitely not trying to argue when I say this, because I don't fully agree with the decision to move the goats...but it's been said multiple times...the goats were moved to supplement other herds where there are currently no hunting opportunitites with hopes that some increased hunting opportunities arise in the future.
@Bushcraft  can possibly/hopefully clarify with some more legit info in this regard. The Rocky Mountain Goat Alliance is also heavily involved in this project.

https://goatalliance.org/blogs/news/olympic-national-park-goat-removal-to-begin-september-2018

Olympic National Park Goat Removal to Begin September 2018.


Jun 30, 2018 · Lyle Hebel
 

 



The largest mountain goat relocation project in American history is set to begin this September in Olympic National Park. The National Park Service (NPS) has decided to completely eradicate the species from the landscape over the next three years.

Mountain goats were introduced to the Olympic Mountains in the late 1920’s and the park service arrived in 1938. In what the park is calling an attempt to preserve native alpine plants, all of Olympic Nation Park’s (ONP) mountain goats will either be live-captured or lethally-removed over the next several years.

This fall’s initial capture will be a trial run to the massive endeavors to come in 2019 and 2020. The park estimates their goat population around 650 animals. The goal is to live-capture as many animals as possible and to gift them to the state of Washington.

The live-captured animals will be used to augment and revitalize native goat habitat in Washington’s north Cascades. A live capture of this many mountain goats has never been attempted. Several agencies and organizations are working together to execute this unprecedented project.

RMGA conservation dollars have been allocated to the purchasing of several collars to be used by Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife to track and study the relocated animals. The restoration of Washington’s native goat habitat is a conservation success the RMGA is proud to be part of.

After the live-capture phase is deemed complete, the remaining mountain goats will be lethally removed. The current proposal is for the first wave of lethal removal to be executed by vetted backcountry volunteers. Hired government marksmen will carry out the final phase of mountain goat removal. Stay tuned for more ONP mountain goat removal project updates.

 

 

 

[X-Force]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

One thing to remember about the ONP relocation and removal is that if the relocation happened park to park ONP to Rainier or ONP to NCNP there would have been zero public input and the park service would have completed the relocation and extirpation without WDFW or NFS. As it is the habitat in the NCNP is not conducive to goats so public input was required for this multiple entity venture.

[jackelope]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

One thing to remember about the ONP relocation and removal is that if the relocation happened park to park ONP to Rainier or ONP to NCNP there would have been zero public input and the park service would have completed the relocation and extirpation without WDFW or NFS. As it is the habitat in the NCNP is not conducive to goats so public input was required for this multiple entity venture.

Was just about to come back to this.  WDFW spent money and got more goats on land that can be hunted in the future. The park service could have called in some sharpshooters from the dept of ag to shoot goats and eliminate them all or move them to MRNP where they couldn't be hunted, but instead we got some for, hopefully, additional hunter opportunity in the future.

[Stein]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

One thing to remember about the ONP relocation and removal is that if the relocation happened park to park ONP to Rainier or ONP to NCNP there would have been zero public input and the park service would have completed the relocation and extirpation without WDFW or NFS. As it is the habitat in the NCNP is not conducive to goats so public input was required for this multiple entity venture.

Was just about to come back to this.  WDFW spent money and got more goats on land that can be hunted in the future. The park service could have called in some sharpshooters from the dept of ag to shoot goats and eliminate them all or move them to MRNP where they couldn't be hunted, but instead we got some for, hopefully, additional hunter opportunity in the future.

That's a good point, when viewed that way I take back my jab at WDFW, but just for this one instance.   

[Shaqdiesel]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

[sagerat]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

One thing to remember about the ONP relocation and removal is that if the relocation happened park to park ONP to Rainier or ONP to NCNP there would have been zero public input and the park service would have completed the relocation and extirpation without WDFW or NFS. As it is the habitat in the NCNP is not conducive to goats so public input was required for this multiple entity venture.

Why is the habitat in NCNP not suitable for goats?

[sagerat]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

I was wondering the same thing, prepare to be disappointed

[Katmai Guy]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

One thing to remember about the ONP relocation and removal is that if the relocation happened park to park ONP to Rainier or ONP to NCNP there would have been zero public input and the park service would have completed the relocation and extirpation without WDFW or NFS. As it is the habitat in the NCNP is not conducive to goats so public input was required for this multiple entity venture.

Why is the habitat in NCNP not suitable for goats?

Its not that the habitat is not suitable, it's that the goats are eating some endangered flower that only grows in the park and destroying the landscape digging for minerals I guess.

Its not that the habitat is not suitable, it's that the goats are eating some endangered flower that only grows in the park and destroying the landscape digging for minerals I guess.

[Stein]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

I was wondering the same thing, prepare to be disappointed

Thanks for your business.   

I think I have points as well, I don't remember applying but think I used to buy everything they had available.

[jackelope]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

It was a herd reduction hunt. Pretty much a cull hunt. Once the herd is culled...you don't need points anymore

[Tbar]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

It was a herd reduction hunt. Pretty much a cull hunt. Once the herd is culled...you don't need points anymore

There is a possibility that there will be an opportunity post move but that's all undecided.  It's an option on the table though.

[sagerat]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

One thing to remember about the ONP relocation and removal is that if the relocation happened park to park ONP to Rainier or ONP to NCNP there would have been zero public input and the park service would have completed the relocation and extirpation without WDFW or NFS. As it is the habitat in the NCNP is not conducive to goats so public input was required for this multiple entity venture.

Why is the habitat in NCNP not suitable for goats?

Its not that the habitat is not suitable, it's that the goats are eating some endangered flower that only grows in the park and destroying the landscape digging for minerals I guess.

Its not that the habitat is not suitable, it's that the goats are eating some endangered flower that only grows in the park and destroying the landscape digging for minerals I guess.

That’s for ONP I believe. Goats are Native in the North Cascades. Just wondering what the thoughts are about NCNP not being suitable.