Conflict Goat draw?

[sagerat]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

I was wondering the same thing, prepare to be disappointed

Thanks for your business.   

I think I have points as well, I don't remember applying but think I used to buy everything they had available.

Exactly, pretty much like all my bull elk points in the near future.

[sagerat]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

It was a herd reduction hunt. Pretty much a cull hunt. Once the herd is culled...you don't need points anymore

Yet it still counted towards your once in a lifetime goat. What a joke

[weatherbow21]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

What about all the goats outside the park? This thread is about the conflict goat hunt on Mt Washington

I hope you are right, and my fears are not valid

[jackelope]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

It was a herd reduction hunt. Pretty much a cull hunt. Once the herd is culled...you don't need points anymore

Yet it still counted towards your once in a lifetime goat. What a joke

Only if you kill one, which is different from the regular goat hunts.

[jackelope]

It surprises me more people aren't concerned about the precedence this sets, removing animals because they are non native. There are a lot of huntable populations that are introduced, the entire state of Colorado for example for goats. Why won't they be next? I live at the base of the olympics, its goat country 100%. I cannot imagine we won't be seeing more of this in the future and its sad because as hunters we are losing opportunities left and right, here's another one lost forever

The National Park Service is trying to return park land to native plants and animals across the US. Eliminating or removing goats outside of the ONP is necessary to keep those populations from repopulating the park.

The Olympics may be goat country but there is no evidence that they ever existed there until the early 1900's when they were introduced.

I don't know of a national park in the lower 48 that allows nonnative hunting so your fears are not valid.

What about all the goats outside the park? This thread is about the conflict goat hunt on Mt Washington

I hope you are right, and my fears are not valid

They're all introduced/non-native goats. In or out of the park. And those goats are all considered too close to the park to be left there as they'll eventually spread back into the park. And this is the creation of new hunting opportunities in the future, not the loss of an opportunity. The conflict hunt was a cull hunt from the get-go. A "conflict reduction" hunt.

 
 

[sagerat]

So what’s gonna happen to my points now? 

It was a herd reduction hunt. Pretty much a cull hunt. Once the herd is culled...you don't need points anymore

Yet it still counted towards your once in a lifetime goat. What a joke

Only if you kill one, which is different from the regular goat hunts.

Pretty sure that’s incorrect jackelope

[sagerat]

Who may apply: Anyone, except those who have Previously harvested a mountain goat in Washington state after 1998. Same stipulation for both categories. I see absolutely no reason for two separate categories other than revenue.

[bearpaw]

After the translocation, I'm wondering why they can't have an over-the-counter goat hunt or at least a lot more tags if they are going to cull them anyway?

[X-Force]

The category split was absolutely ridiculous it was brought on by hunters who drew the first year Olympic permits became available. Those hunters complained that there weren't that many goats and that they were encouraged to shoot the first adult goat they saw. So being a cull they complained and wanted a separate category. WDFW obliged, more money and less confusion.

[X-Force]

After the translocation, I'm wondering why they can't have an over-the-counter goat hunt or at least a lot more tags if they are going to cull them anyway?

The question I have is if I harvest one this spring will I get cited for harvesting a trophy species or will they let me keep it because its basically a rat or pigeon... 

[jackelope]

Who may apply: Anyone, except those who have Previously harvested a mountain goat in Washington state after 1998. Same stipulation for both categories. I see absolutely no reason for two separate categories other than revenue.

Yep...my bad...I was wrong, but I probably didn't make clear what I was trying to say either.

At one point, you could draw a conflict tag, not kill a goat and apply again for regular goat permits as long as you didn't kill a goat. If you did kill one, you were done all together.  Looks like they changed that.
You could never apply for the conflict permits if you've already killed a goat.
Unrelated side note...2018, the year after I killed my goat...I was able to apply for a conflict goat tag online....so I did...a few weeks later I got an email and a phone call from WDFW saying it was a mistake. They removed my application and refunded my money.

[sagerat]

After the translocation, I'm wondering why they can't have an over-the-counter goat hunt or at least a lot more tags if they are going to cull them anyway?

The question I have is if I harvest one this spring will I get cited for harvesting a trophy species or will they let me keep it because its basically a rat or pigeon... 

I’m with this guy, we should help out 

[Katmai Guy]

The category split was absolutely ridiculous it was brought on by hunters who drew the first year Olympic permits became available. Those hunters complained that there weren't that many goats and that they were encouraged to shoot the first adult goat they saw. So being a cull they complained and wanted a separate category. WDFW obliged, more money and less confusion.

BS

[Bushcraft]

In my opinion we need to push forward with the translocation of as many goats as possible from ONP to the fractured populations within the greater Cascade complex.  This should help improve the stagnant gene pools and will reduce the impact on fauna in the ONP.

After that, I'm all for pumping the brakes very hard on any eradication efforts in the ONP. The data supporting the removal of the goats from ONP was extremely dated and specious at best (it was gathered by highly biased flower-worshipers).

The ONP is unquestionably the single best mountain goat incubator we have and has the best genetics in terms of the depth of their genetics.  To just kill them all off is laughably stupid and is nothing more than moronically  short-sighted cost-cutting bureaucratic horse*censored*.  I will fight the eradication efforts tooth and nail even if I have to get every soccer mom and elementary school kid in the state up in arms about it.  The ONP mountain goat population and the fauna they feed on can and should be managed for sustainability, and hunting can and should be used as the primary tool to effectively manage their population base.

[Tbar]

In my opinion we need to push forward with the translocation of as many goats as possible from ONP to the fractured populations within the greater Cascade complex.  This should help improve the stagnant gene pools and will reduce the impact on fauna in the ONP.

After that, I'm all for pumping the brakes very hard on any eradication efforts in the ONP. The data supporting the removal of the goats from ONP was extremely dated and specious at best (it was gathered by highly biased flower-worshipers).

The ONP is unquestionably the single best mountain goat incubator we have and has the best genetics in terms of the depth of their genetics.  To just kill them all off is laughably stupid and is nothing more than moronically  short-sighted cost-cutting bureaucratic horse*censored*.  I will fight the eradication efforts tooth and nail even if I have to get every soccer mom and elementary school kid in the state up in arms about it.  The ONP mountain goat population and the fauna they feed on can and should be managed for sustainability, and hunting can and should be used as the primary tool to effectively manage their population base.

This plan and alternative is long past NEPA review, correct? Is there supporting evidence to contradict the past study? What does the archeological evidence support?