The chance at a chance (drawing odds/%)

[JimmyHoffa]

To get back to 90's tags and herds, you also need to get back to 90's predator control, 90's logging and burning cuts instead of spraying them.

[Stein]

We would also need to go back to when there were many more tags and much fewer applicants.

That’s one reason we can’t go back.


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I disagree. Yes we do have fewer permits and more people but it would still help draw odds.

It's just math.  We can go back to the old system, but it won't resemble the old results.  If you have 3 tags and 500 people applying, you can rig any system you want and there are still going to be 497 people that don't draw.  With the number of applicants and tags we have this year, it really doesn't matter what system they use.

[sagerat]

I agree it’s not the big solution but only having an “elk” or “deer” category would be better for draw odds. Rather than having my name in 4 different elk draws this year it would only be in 1 and I sure wouldn’t be putting down Antlerless choices.. Other guys would rather have a cow tag more often and would go that route...

[CarbonHunter]

I agree it’s not the big solution but only having an “elk” or “deer” category would be better for draw odds. Rather than having my name in 4 different elk draws this year it would only be in 1 and I sure wouldn’t be putting down Antlerless choices.. Other guys would rather have a cow tag more often and would go that route...

This is the key factor, as of right now you have 14 choices for your 4 categories. If you only had 4 choices like you did under the old system there would be an instant reduction in the amount of applicants for each tag.

[CarbonHunter]

Another thing this would help with is when kids put in for youth tags and don’t draw by 16 they will no longer loose those points. They would simply just have elk points that would carry until death or they get drawn.

[Fletch]

Could also go back to paying upfront for oil tags.

[CarbonHunter]

Could also go back to paying upfront for oil tags.

  it would help as well!

[Mr Mykiss]

I reckon that my point isn’t that we deserve a bull tag every other year but rather that WDFW is selling us a pipe dream and said dream is just becoming more and more out of reach...even for the heaviest of pipe dreamers!!

[Mr Mykiss]

Did you adjust for the change in tag numbers between 2018 and 2019?

If I didn’t adjust the tag numbers why would the odds have changed?

More people applying and squaring the points.  The odds go down even if the tags stay the same.  Too many people with a ton of points.

Please don’t give people the impression that these kinds of numbers could be due solely to squaring points.

[Stein]

I don’t believe I did.  Too many people applying for too few tags.  Games like squaring and points in general keep people coming back.  Couple that with sketchy data and a general misunderstanding of statistics and here we are.


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[Fletch]

I have benefited from the any bull tags I won’t complain... but... drawn in 2002 2005 2010 2017 so a pattern has formed 3 yrs 5 yrs 7 yrs so I can expect to maybe get drawn in 9 yrs now and yes it becomes a oil tag essentially... not what I want my sons to face. Yes I still pay to apply but I have so much investment in every category I cannot get myself not too. But getting a general season deer tag in Montana every year is like drawing in wa once every 10 yrs ... rut hunts with less people and open land to hunt.. the price we pay I guess for living in a population high state. Ugh can’t win

[dvolmer]

Give one grace year on points only like Montana and Wyoming.  You miss two years putting in you loose all of your points. Many probably wont like that but it will start the reduction of entries.  Washington is a screwed up mess.  Way to many people, not near enough animals, dwindling public access and opportunity, a game dept that is more interested in making money and building an empire, Liberal mentality when it comes to any kind of predator control, and out of control tribal hunting.  That and probably some issues I didn't touch on adds up to a major failure with a no opportunity for reconstruction or fixing!  You all can hang on for as long as you want to take the ride but the train will eventually de-rail and the boat is going to eventually sink!!!  It has gotten to the point of being unfixable! If you have some private honey-hole or something special up your sleeve, keep a going!!!  But its only a matter of time before they screw that all up for you too!!!  Ya don't believe me???  Just wait and see!!!

[asmith]

Want a branch bull, then go hunt an any elk or any bull unit.

[Slow-1]

Little off subject do you guys think an elk tag that's is more than say 100 to 1 to get IE 5 tags 600 people want  (take the points out to make the math simple) should be a once in a life time? If our drawn you can't put in for that tag again? I know total hypothetical, because the WDFW will never do, because of loss of revenue. Just thinking out loud.

[huntnnw]

I have 0 elk points this year and I am seriously contemplating not applying anymore here.