Possessing unregistered firearms

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Are you referring to the grampa who got arrested for shooting 2 armed intruders in his home? He was arrested because of an unregistered handgun he got from family, not because he killed two people. It depends upon the state and state law. WA does not currently require any info on firearms passed within family, but that could change...probably next on agenda.

[ne kid]

What unregistered guns? Dont know anything about them.

[brew]

Are you referring to the grampa who got arrested for shooting 2 armed intruders in his home? He was arrested because of an unregistered handgun he got from family, not because he killed two people. It depends upon the state and state law. WA does not currently require any info on firearms passed within family, but that could change...probably next on agenda.

where do you find the info on family pass downs ?  I have *ahem* a gun or two that when I'm gone  would like to pass down to my family members without all the BS paperwork and transfer fees


thanks

[pianoman9701]

Are you referring to the grampa who got arrested for shooting 2 armed intruders in his home? He was arrested because of an unregistered handgun he got from family, not because he killed two people. It depends upon the state and state law. WA does not currently require any info on firearms passed within family, but that could change...probably next on agenda.

where do you find the info on family pass downs ?  I have *ahem* a gun or two that when I'm gone  would like to pass down to my family members without all the BS paperwork and transfer fees


thanks

On a philosophical level, how's anyone going to know if, when, and where you passed firearms to your direct relatives? On a legal level:
RCW 9.41.113
Firearm sales or transfers—Background checks—Requirements—Exceptions. (Effective July 1, 2019.)
(1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law. The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through a licensed dealer, at gun shows, online, and between unlicensed persons.
(2) No person shall sell or transfer a firearm unless:
(a) The person is a licensed dealer;
(b) The purchaser or transferee is a licensed dealer; or
(c) The requirements of subsection (3) of this section are met.
(3) Where neither party to a prospective firearms transaction is a licensed dealer, the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale or transfer through a licensed dealer as follows:
(a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing the sale or transfer.
(b) Except as provided in (a) of this subsection, the licensed dealer shall comply with all requirements of federal and state law that would apply if the licensed dealer were selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, including but not limited to conducting a background check on the prospective purchaser or transferee in accordance with federal and state law requirements, fulfilling all federal and state recordkeeping requirements, and complying with the specific requirements and restrictions on semiautomatic assault rifles in chapter 3, Laws of 2019.
(c) The purchaser or transferee must complete, sign, and submit all federal, state, and local forms necessary to process the required background check to the licensed dealer conducting the background check.
(d) If the results of the background check indicate that the purchaser or transferee is ineligible to possess a firearm, then the licensed dealer shall return the firearm to the seller or transferor.
(e) The licensed dealer may charge a fee that reflects the fair market value of the administrative costs and efforts incurred by the licensed dealer for facilitating the sale or transfer of the firearm.
(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;

[brew]

Are you referring to the grampa who got arrested for shooting 2 armed intruders in his home? He was arrested because of an unregistered handgun he got from family, not because he killed two people. It depends upon the state and state law. WA does not currently require any info on firearms passed within family, but that could change...probably next on agenda.

where do you find the info on family pass downs ?  I have *ahem* a gun or two that when I'm gone  would like to pass down to my family members without all the BS paperwork and transfer fees


thanks

On a philosophical level, how's anyone going to know if, when, and where you passed firearms to your direct relatives? On a legal level:
RCW 9.41.113
Firearm sales or transfers—Background checks—Requirements—Exceptions. (Effective July 1, 2019.)
(1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington, shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by state or federal law. The background check requirement applies to all sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers through a licensed dealer, at gun shows, online, and between unlicensed persons.
(2) No person shall sell or transfer a firearm unless:
(a) The person is a licensed dealer;
(b) The purchaser or transferee is a licensed dealer; or
(c) The requirements of subsection (3) of this section are met.
(3) Where neither party to a prospective firearms transaction is a licensed dealer, the parties to the transaction shall complete the sale or transfer through a licensed dealer as follows:
(a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing the sale or transfer.
(b) Except as provided in (a) of this subsection, the licensed dealer shall comply with all requirements of federal and state law that would apply if the licensed dealer were selling or transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee, including but not limited to conducting a background check on the prospective purchaser or transferee in accordance with federal and state law requirements, fulfilling all federal and state recordkeeping requirements, and complying with the specific requirements and restrictions on semiautomatic assault rifles in chapter 3, Laws of 2019.
(c) The purchaser or transferee must complete, sign, and submit all federal, state, and local forms necessary to process the required background check to the licensed dealer conducting the background check.
(d) If the results of the background check indicate that the purchaser or transferee is ineligible to possess a firearm, then the licensed dealer shall return the firearm to the seller or transferor.
(e) The licensed dealer may charge a fee that reflects the fair market value of the administrative costs and efforts incurred by the licensed dealer for facilitating the sale or transfer of the firearm.
(4) This section does not apply to:
(a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents, parents-in-law, children, siblings, siblings-in-law, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift or loan;

thanks for the info pianoman9701....I guess philosophically what I was referring to was can they (whoever "they" may be) see when I purchased the firearm (if I bought from a store) and if I purchased it after a certain date and someone else has the gun should there have been a transfer ?  Another question I have is I married my wife and she had 2 children age 5 & 6 from a previous marriage and I have raised them for the past 30 years but never "adopted" them.  I consider them my children and they consider me their father. they both have had kids so I have "grandchildren" and have firearms dedicated to them.  I guess this RCW applies to that so I'm not really gonna worry about the transfer

[brew]

I guess if it comes down to it I can will them to the wife and she can give them to the kids and grandkids cuz they are her blood

[Freedumb88]

These new bills are all bs i shouldnt have to be nervous about hunting with a riffle just because it isnt in my name or lie about how i got it when im legal to own and legaly obtained everything ive ever owned how would they prove the gun wasn't passed down from a family member anyway

[bornhunter]

What unregistered guns? Dont know anything about them.

[Special T]

@Pman  this has everything to do with limiting the amount of variables the state has to investigate.  When you look at the mandatory  no digital database AND restrictions on past private sales this is an attempt to narrow down the list of suspects.  Eliminating private sales does a lot as time goes by. Put restrictions on manufacturing firearms and you complete the loop.

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