Will you be done buying semi-auto rifles on July 1st?

[SGTDuffman]

I attached an ATF Letter from the assistant director of the ATF that was made for FFLs seeking guidance. It lays out how and why a receiver is NOT sold as a rifle or a pistol. Federal law says it is a violation to fill out an ATF form 4473 in a way contrary to the box description and directions contained on the form, which also say that a receiver is NOT to be listed as a rifle or a pistol. Per the ATF both a rifle and a pistol are capable of firing a projectile. A receiver is not. It meets the definition of a firearm, but not of a pistol or a rifle, so it is marked “other”. There are the 3 options in block 16 of the form. “Handgun”, “Long gun (rifle or shotgun)”, “Other (frame, receiver, etc. See instructions for Block 16)”.  If they’re checking rifle or pistol, they’re doing wrong and could run afoul of the ATF during an audit.

I wouldn’t use California as a guide for anything firearms related. And that could be a state law for California. As hard as our legislators are trying, this isn’t California yet. I would follow the pertinent ATF paperwork, ATF guidance, and Federal law.

Well if California dealers can sell them as rifles then the ATF probably doesn't care if Washington dealers do the same.

I'm not saying anyone should comply with dealers that ask. But it is probably legal for them to do this.

[Bob33]

Yes I'm done with auto loaders and handguns until they remove HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) waver requirements. The way I read it and from the NRA/ILA reports and FFL dealers you wave your HIPAA rights to purchase.

The waiver of confidentiality with respect to handgun purchases was enacted into law in 1994. RCW 9.41.094 is amended effective July 1 to include assault rifles.

See page 46, section 411: http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/1993-94/Pdf/Bills/Session%20Laws/House/2319-S2.SL.pdf?cite=1994 sp.s. c 7 § 411.

Here is the before and after:


RCW 9.41.094

Waiver of confidentiality. (Effective until July 1, 2019.)

A signed application to purchase a pistol shall constitute a waiver of confidentiality and written request that the health care authority, mental health institutions, and other health care facilities release, to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency, information relevant to the applicant's eligibility to purchase a pistol to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency.

[ 2018 c 201 § 6004; 1994 sp.s. c 7 § 411.]


RCW 9.41.094


Waiver of confidentiality. (Effective July 1, 2019.)


A signed application to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle shall constitute a waiver of confidentiality and written request that the health care authority, mental health institutions, and other health care facilities release, to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency, information relevant to the applicant's eligibility to purchase a pistol or semiautomatic assault rifle to an inquiring court or law enforcement agency.

[Cab]

I just got done a few months ago building my first AR so the only thing I'm going to be buying is new uppers or conversion kits to make it shoot 22lr. I can't believe how BAD this law was written and how crazy this is. I don't mind jumping over to OR to get an AR if I wanted but the fact that this effects pistols is a nightmare! this is just straight up moronic and I would love to see Sporting System and others come up with a win at the courthouse. I guess the judge on the case is one of the best ones we could have got. I'm not holding my breath but I am still hopeful this will not pass. This is going to be a paper work nightmare for LEO and gun shops.

FYI: Sporting System is going to have the required class FOR FREE online

[HntnFsh]

How do they know what the required class will be? I didn't think that was layed out.

[carpsniperg2]

There is ZERO CLASSES OFFERED ATM and all these online class claims or people saying they have already done a class YOU HAVE NOT this is what the new info on 1639 says.

Online is not a option when handling firearms

The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county or municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with certified instructors.
The training must include instruction on:
Basic firearms safety rules;
Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and talking to children about gun safety;
Firearms and suicide prevention;
Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use;
Safe handling of firearms; and
State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited firearms transfers.

[Lucky1]

There is a guy up at the Cowlitz County Public shooting range offering classes that are supposed to be compliant with the law. I think it just has to include the things listed by Carpsniper. I know the guy is ex LE. He offers other training also. He might be NRA certified.

[carpsniperg2]

Yes there could be physical classes offered but all this online talk is just talk. what I am seeing for a requirement can not be done through a computer.

Yet I am very Leary of cash grabbing right now. "people saying pay this take this, this will work and it most likely will NOT"
I am watching this very close. I am sure there is going to be a curriculum/mandatory material and handouts etc for these "said classes" I have not seen any list of the exact organizations that will be recognized. Or any of the teaching material guidelines or information YET.

[Bob33]

There is ZERO CLASSES OFFERED ATM and all these online class claims or people saying they have already done a class YOU HAVE NOT this is what the new info on 1639 says.

Online is not a option when handling firearms

The training must be sponsored by a federal, state, county or municipal law enforcement agency, a college or university, a nationally recognized organization that customarily offers firearms training, or a firearms training school with certified instructors.
The training must include instruction on:
Basic firearms safety rules;
Firearms and children, including secure gun storage and talking to children about gun safety;
Firearms and suicide prevention;
Secure gun storage to prevent unauthorized access and use;
Safe handling of firearms; and
State and federal firearms laws, including prohibited firearms transfers.

Instruction in the safe handling of firearms doesn't necessarily have to be done in person. Time will tell what the state comes up with but extensive training in many disciplines is done online.

[carpsniperg2]

“With certified instructors”

That sounds like hands on handling.

[carpsniperg2]

My best guess is like hunters Ed. You can take the test and do the reading online.
However you have to have hands on time with instructors to get the card/certificate.

[CarbonHunter]

Cost of ammo caused me to stop buying semiautomatic rifles years ago.

[aaronoto]

Yes there could be physical classes offered but all this online talk is just talk. what I am seeing for a requirement can not be done through a computer.

Yet I am very Leary of cash grabbing right now. "people saying pay this take this, this will work and it most likely will NOT"
I am watching this very close. I am sure there is going to be a curriculum/mandatory material and handouts etc for these "said classes" I have not seen any list of the exact organizations that will be recognized. Or any of the teaching material guidelines or information YET.

Have you heard anything to contrary that what they're offering will not work?  As far as I can tell, the state hasn't laid out any other requirements for training other than what you posted above.  There is no state agency certifying those that are offering training for 1639, there is no state issued certificate that you get that a gun store can verify that you received training from a legitimate instructor, there is no hands on requirement, there is no time requirement.  So really, what's to stop Joe Blow who has taken an NRA class from starting a firearms training school and saying he's a "certified instructor" and offering a 1639 "class" and charging say $20 for a certificate and spending 20 minutes with you going over the bullet points?  There are several "instructors" up in Whatcom county that have come out with 1639 classes.  They're charging upwards of $150 as well.... I'm waiting for the guy that sets up a website and has you read a page, sign a training certificate that you have received the information, pay a fee, and print a certificate...

[carpsniperg2]

My point, at this point there has been no exact guidelines as to what will be excepted.
I agree it sounds like people are already buying and taking classes and I have seen no exact list of what’s going to be excepted so how can people be offering classes? If we don’t know what’s expected to happen during the class or forums to give out etc. I know as a dealer I already have to now hand out paperwork with each sale.

Like the suicide prevention part with no guide lines on what is to be read or handed out how are these classes covering that area that is said to be part of the requirement during class?

[bobcat]

Well, here's a legitimate class, I'm assuming, since it's put on by the Lewis County Sheriffs Office:

[carpsniperg2]

That is what I would think to be a legit one but I just haven't seen any info on it yet as a dealer and what I can except to sell said gun. Maybe the leo's have something I have not seen. We have a meeting with our sheriff tomorrow for all ffl holders in my county because some law enforcement like my sheriff is refusing to do the enhanced checks. So still a learning curve, but I am still thinking anything online at this point would not count.