Will you be done buying semi-auto rifles on July 1st?

[lamrith]

But our anti-gun AG is aware of them and has talked about banning 80% lowers. I would expect California style "ghost gun" rules to follow.

My local dealer told me that's already happened and will go into effect July 1 as well; that 80% lowers will be legal to own but illegal to purchase or sell.

Somebody please confirm or disprove that though; I hesitate to mention this sort of thing without confirming myself, but am not all that interested in 80% lowers so I haven't looked into it. If it's true, several of you guys might want to know about it.

I was also told that as of July 1, buying a semi-auto rifle (or maybe pistols, or any gun? some confusion there) gives WA state the right to conduct a yearly "mental health" check on the buyer. Do any of you want to confirm or disprove that in the actual law?
If true, that bit will be my main reason for not buying any semi-autos after July 1. Not because I'm nuts and would fail a fair and accurate mental health check, but because there is a lot of room for abuse when we go down that road.

I can confirm the 80% lowers were outlawed, signed a couple of weeks ago by Inslee, a lot more was also signed in, gun owners have been taking a real beating in Wa.

That is not correct.  Untraceable (hence 80%) lowers are NOT banned unless they are created with the intent to sell.  They are still legal to purchase and own as a private citizen.  Please see my post above.  They removed the untraceable verbage from what is illegal in Section 1(a) during final revisions.  We dodged a bullet (pun intended) on that one this time around.

[SteelheadTed]

I've always felt like I should want an AR but never actually wanted one. I've wanted to try my hand at building one but not super interested in owning one. Every few years I get a chance to shoot someone else's and it's great but I don't feel like racing out to buy my own. At some point this will change and I'll cross over into "I want my own" territory and when that day does come I'll grumble about all the hoops and BS it takes to get one.

Pretty much exactly where I’m at.

Buy a stripped lower its less than $100 and everything else is just parts!

For those of us not otherwise that familiar with AR's, is there a particular brand you would recommend?  Website?

[SteelheadTed]

I took an overtime check and some extra and bought 10/22's for each grandkid I have. 
It's a pretty pathetic way to make law when people with no knowledge about firearms and guns can vote our rights away.

It's like being a hound hunter all over again.

Since they are going to make laws regardless, I'd rather have folks who don't know what they are talking about making the laws so that they have less teeth.

[Special T]

I've always felt like I should want an AR but never actually wanted one. I've wanted to try my hand at building one but not super interested in owning one. Every few years I get a chance to shoot someone else's and it's great but I don't feel like racing out to buy my own. At some point this will change and I'll cross over into "I want my own" territory and when that day does come I'll grumble about all the hoops and BS it takes to get one.

Pretty much exactly where I’m at.

Buy a stripped lower its less than $100 and everything else is just parts!

For those of us not otherwise that familiar with AR's, is there a particular brand you would recommend?  Website?

https://palmettostatearmory.com

Now wouldn't necessarily say that all the products these guys make are great, but I think you can get an ok budget deal from them.  Several of my friends have used different components from them, and they make LOTS of lowers for different companies. Purchasing a blank lower is probably the most important thing you can do because it gets you in before this stupid law.

The reason why ARs are so cool is the modular nature of them.

I will let others debate which AR brands are the best, since it always seems that some suppliers is doing premium work, or another has poor QC.

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[SGTDuffman]

I’ve still seen nothing in any of these laws or proposed laws that would affect anyone’s ability to build their own AR from a stripped lower. Because they are stripped they are not classified as a rifle or a pistol, they are “other”. They are other because the dealer doesn’t know if you’re going to build it into a rifle or a pistol. Because they are a manufacturered lower they have a serial number and skirt the “untraceable” verbiage. You still have to fill out the ATF form 4473, but when your FFL enters it, it is an “other” firearm. 

[carpsniperg2]

Some correct and some not correct info being posted.

So I figured this would help, here is the new transfer application that will be filled out with any semi auto rifles and pistol transfers.

Still lots of stuff we don't know as dealers and buyers as they are still adding and changing stuff.

https://www.dol.wa.gov/forms/652001a.pdf

[gasman]

I’ve still seen nothing in any of these laws or proposed laws that would affect anyone’s ability to build their own AR from a stripped lower. Because they are stripped they are not classified as a rifle or a pistol, they are “other”. They are other because the dealer doesn’t know if you’re going to build it into a rifle or a pistol. Because they are a manufacturered lower they have a serial number and skirt the “untraceable” verbiage. You still have to fill out the ATF form 4473, but when your FFL enters it, it is an “other” firearm.

Not 100% correct..... ( to my understanding)
When purchasing an AR Shipped lower, you are to let the seller know if it is going to be used as a pistol or riffle. If built as a pistol, then the same procedure  as buying a pistol must be followed. And vice versa if building a riffle.
A person can actually be more trouble if your lower is register a riffle, but meets the criteria of a pistol.

[Yondering]

Not 100% correct..... ( to my understanding)
When purchasing an AR Shipped lower, you are to let the seller know if it is going to be used as a pistol or riffle. If built as a pistol, then the same procedure  as buying a pistol must be followed. And vice versa if building a riffle.
A person can actually be more trouble if your lower is register a riffle, but meets the criteria of a pistol.

When did this change, and can you link to the source? That definitely is not how it's done right now, but maybe something new coming up?

[gasman]

Not 100% correct..... ( to my understanding)
When purchasing an AR Shipped lower, you are to let the seller know if it is going to be used as a pistol or riffle. If built as a pistol, then the same procedure  as buying a pistol must be followed. And vice versa if building a riffle.
A person can actually be more trouble if your lower is register a riffle, but meets the criteria of a pistol.

When did this change, and can you link to the source? That definitely is not how it's done right now, but maybe something new coming up?

Every stripped lower I have purchased, I was asked if it was for riffle or pistol. When I asked "Dose it matter", the answer I got was "Hell Yes, any AR built specifically to be a pistol, must be registered as a pistol". If you are caught with an AR registered as a riffle that meets criteria to be classified as a pistol,  you can face federal charges.
Built my first AR at least 5 years ago, and was asked then, so not new.......Was also asked last week when I picked up an AR10 stripped lower.

[Yondering]

Every stripped lower I have purchased, I was asked if it was for riffle or pistol. When I asked "Dose it matter", the answer I got was "Hell Yes, any AR built specifically to be a pistol, must be registered as a pistol". If you are caught with an AR registered as a riffle that meets criteria to be classified as a pistol,  you can face federal charges.
Built my first AR at least 5 years ago, and was asked then, so not new.......Was also asked last week when I picked up an AR10 stripped lower.

Your dealer is doing it wrong then. A stripped lower is transferred as "other", not as a rifle, pistol, or shotgun. You do NOT have to tell the seller or anyone involved with the background check if you'll be assembling it as a rifle or pistol.

And yes, I think most of us are aware that a lower sold as a rifle cannot be used as a pistol - it becomes an SBR and requires NFA paperwork. A lower sold as "other" or as a pistol can be used either way.

[konradcountry]

Not 100% correct..... ( to my understanding)
When purchasing an AR Shipped lower, you are to let the seller know if it is going to be used as a pistol or riffle. If built as a pistol, then the same procedure  as buying a pistol must be followed. And vice versa if building a riffle.
A person can actually be more trouble if your lower is register a riffle, but meets the criteria of a pistol.

When did this change, and can you link to the source? That definitely is not how it's done right now, but maybe something new coming up?

Every stripped lower I have purchased, I was asked if it was for riffle or pistol. When I asked "Dose it matter", the answer I got was "Hell Yes, any AR built specifically to be a pistol, must be registered as a pistol". If you are caught with an AR registered as a riffle that meets criteria to be classified as a pistol,  you can face federal charges.
Built my first AR at least 5 years ago, and was asked then, so not new.......Was also asked last week when I picked up an AR10 stripped lower.

What if you said....I'm not going to do anything with it. Wouldn't they have to transfer it to you as other? Maybe an FFL can answer this.

[Yondering]

Again, a new lower receiver should not be transferred as a pistol or as a rifle, it is an "other".

[konradcountry]

Again, a new lower receiver should not be transferred as a pistol or as a rifle, it is an "other".

I get that but I have also heard of shops asking.

I'm assuming it is for liability reasons, right or wrong. They are probably trying to avoid a scenario where you turn it into a pistol and the state later comes back with the serial and asks why a pistol transfer didn't occur.

[fowl smacker]

Every stripped lower I have purchased, I was asked if it was for riffle or pistol. When I asked "Dose it matter", the answer I got was "Hell Yes, any AR built specifically to be a pistol, must be registered as a pistol". If you are caught with an AR registered as a riffle that meets criteria to be classified as a pistol,  you can face federal charges.
Built my first AR at least 5 years ago, and was asked then, so not new.......Was also asked last week when I picked up an AR10 stripped lower.

Your dealer is doing it wrong then. A stripped lower is transferred as "other", not as a rifle, pistol, or shotgun. You do NOT have to tell the seller or anyone involved with the background check if you'll be assembling it as a rifle or pistol.

And yes, I think most of us are aware that a lower sold as a rifle cannot be used as a pistol - it becomes an SBR and requires NFA paperwork. A lower sold as "other" or as a pistol can be used either way.

A lower sold as a pistol CAN'T be used either way.  If you plan on turning it into an SBR, you have to get a tax stamp and register that serial # as an SBR.  So technically it can, but you have more steps to take.

[SGTDuffman]

You guys are still missing the point. It’s NOT sold as a rifle or a pistol. Unless you buy a complete lower. If it is stripped it is sold as “other”. It is not a pistol. It is not a rifle. How you built it decides. You could put a brace and a 16” barrel. You could put a brace and a 9” barrel. You could put a buttstock and a 16” barrel. You can NOT put a stock and a barrel shorter than 16” or you’ve made an unregistered SBR. You could make it into a .22, a 9mm, or. .223. That’s why they say C.A. - multi. An AR can be made into SO many things. The dealer does NOT need to know. I asked mine if he needed to, he said no, it’s “other”. They don’t know what you’re doing, and they don’t need to. It’s no less an unregistered pistol than an 80% lower is. If you built it as a pistol then went to sell it, it would THEN be a pistol and sold as such through the dealer for that transfer.