Will you be done buying semi-auto rifles on July 1st?

[Yondering]

Every stripped lower I have purchased, I was asked if it was for riffle or pistol. When I asked "Dose it matter", the answer I got was "Hell Yes, any AR built specifically to be a pistol, must be registered as a pistol". If you are caught with an AR registered as a riffle that meets criteria to be classified as a pistol,  you can face federal charges.
Built my first AR at least 5 years ago, and was asked then, so not new.......Was also asked last week when I picked up an AR10 stripped lower.

Your dealer is doing it wrong then. A stripped lower is transferred as "other", not as a rifle, pistol, or shotgun. You do NOT have to tell the seller or anyone involved with the background check if you'll be assembling it as a rifle or pistol.

And yes, I think most of us are aware that a lower sold as a rifle cannot be used as a pistol - it becomes an SBR and requires NFA paperwork. A lower sold as "other" or as a pistol can be used either way.

A lower sold as a pistol CAN'T be used either way.  If you plan on turning it into an SBR, you have to get a tax stamp and register that serial # as an SBR.  So technically it can, but you have more steps to take.

I see your confusion, but I was trying to say a lower sold as a pistol can be used as a pistol or a rifle, either way. Anything NFA obviously requires NFA paperwork.

Even complete lowers with a buttstock attached should be transferred as "other"; they are not complete rifles. All of my lower transfers have gone that way, by a couple different dealers who took the time to research what they're doing.

[JohnVH]

Already took a course, $35 and was easy, So it wont change much for me, I know Ill pass a background check.. But its still BS that a bad guy wont care about.

[grundy53]

Every stripped lower I have purchased, I was asked if it was for riffle or pistol. When I asked "Dose it matter", the answer I got was "Hell Yes, any AR built specifically to be a pistol, must be registered as a pistol". If you are caught with an AR registered as a riffle that meets criteria to be classified as a pistol,  you can face federal charges.
Built my first AR at least 5 years ago, and was asked then, so not new.......Was also asked last week when I picked up an AR10 stripped lower.

Your dealer is doing it wrong then. A stripped lower is transferred as "other", not as a rifle, pistol, or shotgun. You do NOT have to tell the seller or anyone involved with the background check if you'll be assembling it as a rifle or pistol.

And yes, I think most of us are aware that a lower sold as a rifle cannot be used as a pistol - it becomes an SBR and requires NFA paperwork. A lower sold as "other" or as a pistol can be used either way.

Correct. I've had shops ask if it was going to be a rifle or pistol. I've also had shops automatically do other. Probably just store policy if they ask.

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[woodswalker]

From Talos Tactical LLC:

I-1639 is just a few weeks away, and the state finally released their new Firearm Transfer Application.  To say we're frustrated is an understatement.
  It demonstrates a clear lack of leadership from the FBI, WA AG's office, and/or the WA DOL.  They are clearly not communicating.  The form from the DOL doesn't allow us to do the things the AG and FBI say we need to do.  Further, we have been supplying local law enforcement with what little info we're getting because the state hasn't deemed it necessary to keep them updated as to their role in this mess.
  What do we have for info?  The FBI says we can no longer do instant checks on semi-automatic rifles, handguns, and frames/receivers.  They need to be submitted to local law enforcement.  The state says we need to fill out their transfer form and physically mail it to the law enforcement agency.  The agency is supposed to do the background check, and then physically mail it back.  It cannot be done in less than 30 days (per an official release by King County).  At 30 days, the paperwork expires.  So either nobody will get their guns, or everybody will and we won't find out until later whether they legally should have.  Again, there's no guidance from the state on this.
  This all assumes that we could properly submit the form for a background check in the first place.  We can't.  The FBI says we can't use their system for a check on a receiver.  The state form doesn't have a section for a receiver.  We are three weeks out, and nobody has a mechanism in place for us to run a background check on a receiver.  Do we not sell them?  Are they no longer subject to a background check?  Somebody needs to own this, but nobody currently is.
  While I'm griping about the forms, let's dig into that a bit deeper.  There's a box the purchaser must check on the state form, acknowledging that it's a forfeiture of HIPPA privacy.  Handguns are just supposed to be for that instant.  Semi-automatic rifles would be permanent.  But there's only one box to check.  So is it one, the other, both, or neither?  Nobody knows.  The form to request information is even more odd.  The DOL says their website and database won't be ready for a year, and there's no funding or labor at all for it right now.  Yet, this form is supposed to be processed by these imaginary employees using a website that doesn't exist, so you can see what guns the state thinks you own.  Right.
  Oh, and don't forget these classes you're supposed to take before buying a semi-automatic rifle.  What classes count?  No idea.  Who can teach them?  No idea.  What test do you take and what forms do you fill out?  No idea.  What website do we check to make sure you did what you're supposed to do?  It's the one the DOL says won't be done for a year.
  The most frustrating part is that this is not even an attempt at curbing crime.  Not one dollar or one minute of time is directed towards crime or criminals.  This will destroy a background check system that works pretty darn well.  The voters who pushed this through have wrecked a functional background check system, and virtually guaranteed that more bad guys will get guns.  July 1 is going to be an ugly day in Washington.

Grumpys Gun Repair.

[bigdave]

But, by God they're gonna fix climate change!!!  Our current batch of losers in Olympia couldn't find their own A$$ with both hands and a flashlight.

[bearpaw]

I've pretty much quit buying any guns in WA, all they did is cost themselves some sales tax revenue with this law. I buy my guns in Idaho and Utah now!

[bobcat]

But now, with the new law going into effect July 1, it will be illegal for a Washington resident to buy a semi automatic rifle out of state. (I believe)

[bearpaw]

Fortunately I already own a home in Idaho and I already spend equal time in both states, I'll just spend another couple weeks in Idaho and change my residency if that is needed. Then they will lose all the taxes I pay them.

[Special T]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-lower-safe-fire-1728.html

$30 lower

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[Yondering]

From Talos Tactical LLC:

I-1639 is just a few weeks away, and the state finally released their new Firearm Transfer Application.  To say we're frustrated is an understatement.
  It demonstrates a clear lack of leadership from the FBI, WA AG's office, and/or the WA DOL.  They are clearly not communicating.  The form from the DOL doesn't allow us to do the things the AG and FBI say we need to do.  Further, we have been supplying local law enforcement with what little info we're getting because the state hasn't deemed it necessary to keep them updated as to their role in this mess.
  What do we have for info?  The FBI says we can no longer do instant checks on semi-automatic rifles, handguns, and frames/receivers.  They need to be submitted to local law enforcement.  The state says we need to fill out their transfer form and physically mail it to the law enforcement agency.  The agency is supposed to do the background check, and then physically mail it back.  It cannot be done in less than 30 days (per an official release by King County).  At 30 days, the paperwork expires.  So either nobody will get their guns, or everybody will and we won't find out until later whether they legally should have.  Again, there's no guidance from the state on this.
  This all assumes that we could properly submit the form for a background check in the first place.  We can't.  The FBI says we can't use their system for a check on a receiver.  The state form doesn't have a section for a receiver.  We are three weeks out, and nobody has a mechanism in place for us to run a background check on a receiver.  Do we not sell them?  Are they no longer subject to a background check?  Somebody needs to own this, but nobody currently is.
  While I'm griping about the forms, let's dig into that a bit deeper.  There's a box the purchaser must check on the state form, acknowledging that it's a forfeiture of HIPPA privacy.  Handguns are just supposed to be for that instant.  Semi-automatic rifles would be permanent.  But there's only one box to check.  So is it one, the other, both, or neither?  Nobody knows.  The form to request information is even more odd.  The DOL says their website and database won't be ready for a year, and there's no funding or labor at all for it right now.  Yet, this form is supposed to be processed by these imaginary employees using a website that doesn't exist, so you can see what guns the state thinks you own.  Right.
  Oh, and don't forget these classes you're supposed to take before buying a semi-automatic rifle.  What classes count?  No idea.  Who can teach them?  No idea.  What test do you take and what forms do you fill out?  No idea.  What website do we check to make sure you did what you're supposed to do?  It's the one the DOL says won't be done for a year.
  The most frustrating part is that this is not even an attempt at curbing crime.  Not one dollar or one minute of time is directed towards crime or criminals.  This will destroy a background check system that works pretty darn well.  The voters who pushed this through have wrecked a functional background check system, and virtually guaranteed that more bad guys will get guns.  July 1 is going to be an ugly day in Washington.

Grumpys Gun Repair.

Woodswalker, thanks for posting that. It's a good representation of the frustrations a lot of us are having with this new law.

The HIPPA privacy forfeiture is a big deal to me. I don't have anything to hide there, but forfeiture of that privacy is a huge open door to all sorts of abuse by and of the system.

That HIPPA thing is the main reason I'm just done with buying firearms in this state; I'm trying to get all the handguns I might want before July 1, and will be done at that point. Surprisingly though, it doesn't look like most people are thinking of it that way; handguns on the various classified forums in this state don't seem to be selling well (including one I'm trying to sell), and I've heard several people talking about buying one "later in the summer". Is it not obvious to everyone how bad the situation really is?

[woodswalker]

From Talos Tactical LLC:

I-1639 is just a few weeks away, and the state finally released their new Firearm Transfer Application.  To say we're frustrated is an understatement.
  It demonstrates a clear lack of leadership from the FBI, WA AG's office, and/or the WA DOL.  They are clearly not communicating.  The form from the DOL doesn't allow us to do the things the AG and FBI say we need to do.  Further, we have been supplying local law enforcement with what little info we're getting because the state hasn't deemed it necessary to keep them updated as to their role in this mess.
  What do we have for info?  The FBI says we can no longer do instant checks on semi-automatic rifles, handguns, and frames/receivers.  They need to be submitted to local law enforcement.  The state says we need to fill out their transfer form and physically mail it to the law enforcement agency.  The agency is supposed to do the background check, and then physically mail it back.  It cannot be done in less than 30 days (per an official release by King County).  At 30 days, the paperwork expires.  So either nobody will get their guns, or everybody will and we won't find out until later whether they legally should have.  Again, there's no guidance from the state on this.
  This all assumes that we could properly submit the form for a background check in the first place.  We can't.  The FBI says we can't use their system for a check on a receiver.  The state form doesn't have a section for a receiver.  We are three weeks out, and nobody has a mechanism in place for us to run a background check on a receiver.  Do we not sell them?  Are they no longer subject to a background check?  Somebody needs to own this, but nobody currently is.
  While I'm griping about the forms, let's dig into that a bit deeper.  There's a box the purchaser must check on the state form, acknowledging that it's a forfeiture of HIPPA privacy.  Handguns are just supposed to be for that instant.  Semi-automatic rifles would be permanent.  But there's only one box to check.  So is it one, the other, both, or neither?  Nobody knows.  The form to request information is even more odd.  The DOL says their website and database won't be ready for a year, and there's no funding or labor at all for it right now.  Yet, this form is supposed to be processed by these imaginary employees using a website that doesn't exist, so you can see what guns the state thinks you own.  Right.
  Oh, and don't forget these classes you're supposed to take before buying a semi-automatic rifle.  What classes count?  No idea.  Who can teach them?  No idea.  What test do you take and what forms do you fill out?  No idea.  What website do we check to make sure you did what you're supposed to do?  It's the one the DOL says won't be done for a year.
  The most frustrating part is that this is not even an attempt at curbing crime.  Not one dollar or one minute of time is directed towards crime or criminals.  This will destroy a background check system that works pretty darn well.  The voters who pushed this through have wrecked a functional background check system, and virtually guaranteed that more bad guys will get guns.  July 1 is going to be an ugly day in Washington.

Grumpys Gun Repair.

Woodswalker, thanks for posting that. It's a good representation of the frustrations a lot of us are having with this new law.

The HIPPA privacy forfeiture is a big deal to me. I don't have anything to hide there, but forfeiture of that privacy is a huge open door to all sorts of abuse by and of the system.

That HIPPA thing is the main reason I'm just done with buying firearms in this state; I'm trying to get all the handguns I might want before July 1, and will be done at that point. Surprisingly though, it doesn't look like most people are thinking of it that way; handguns on the various classified forums in this state don't seem to be selling well (including one I'm trying to sell), and I've heard several people talking about buying one "later in the summer". Is it not obvious to everyone how bad the situation really is?

I have a few inbound, one on this forum I am trying to raise the funds to pick up and I will be transferring all shop stock in the effected categories into my personal possession.  Any receivers ( ARs, 10-22 clones, bolt receivers levers), any handguns (including some shop projects) and any semi-auto long guns (have to figure out what to do with the semi-auto shotgun i am holding for WHEIA).  That way they are owned and I won’t have stock in limbo that I can’t even give to myself. i have more than one customer who really doesn't understand the gravity of the situation.

Grumpys Gun Repair - Aaron

[woodswalker]

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar-15-lower-safe-fire-1728.html

$30 lower

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Be good to have a stash.

[Special T]

From Talos Tactical LLC:

I-1639 is just a few weeks away, and the state finally released their new Firearm Transfer Application.  To say we're frustrated is an understatement.
  It demonstrates a clear lack of leadership from the FBI, WA AG's office, and/or the WA DOL.  They are clearly not communicating.  The form from the DOL doesn't allow us to do the things the AG and FBI say we need to do.  Further, we have been supplying local law enforcement with what little info we're getting because the state hasn't deemed it necessary to keep them updated as to their role in this mess.
  What do we have for info?  The FBI says we can no longer do instant checks on semi-automatic rifles, handguns, and frames/receivers.  They need to be submitted to local law enforcement.  The state says we need to fill out their transfer form and physically mail it to the law enforcement agency.  The agency is supposed to do the background check, and then physically mail it back.  It cannot be done in less than 30 days (per an official release by King County).  At 30 days, the paperwork expires.  So either nobody will get their guns, or everybody will and we won't find out until later whether they legally should have.  Again, there's no guidance from the state on this.
  This all assumes that we could properly submit the form for a background check in the first place.  We can't.  The FBI says we can't use their system for a check on a receiver.  The state form doesn't have a section for a receiver.  We are three weeks out, and nobody has a mechanism in place for us to run a background check on a receiver.  Do we not sell them?  Are they no longer subject to a background check?  Somebody needs to own this, but nobody currently is.
  While I'm griping about the forms, let's dig into that a bit deeper.  There's a box the purchaser must check on the state form, acknowledging that it's a forfeiture of HIPPA privacy.  Handguns are just supposed to be for that instant.  Semi-automatic rifles would be permanent.  But there's only one box to check.  So is it one, the other, both, or neither?  Nobody knows.  The form to request information is even more odd.  The DOL says their website and database won't be ready for a year, and there's no funding or labor at all for it right now.  Yet, this form is supposed to be processed by these imaginary employees using a website that doesn't exist, so you can see what guns the state thinks you own.  Right.
  Oh, and don't forget these classes you're supposed to take before buying a semi-automatic rifle.  What classes count?  No idea.  Who can teach them?  No idea.  What test do you take and what forms do you fill out?  No idea.  What website do we check to make sure you did what you're supposed to do?  It's the one the DOL says won't be done for a year.
  The most frustrating part is that this is not even an attempt at curbing crime.  Not one dollar or one minute of time is directed towards crime or criminals.  This will destroy a background check system that works pretty darn well.  The voters who pushed this through have wrecked a functional background check system, and virtually guaranteed that more bad guys will get guns.  July 1 is going to be an ugly day in Washington.

Grumpys Gun Repair.

Woodswalker, thanks for posting that. It's a good representation of the frustrations a lot of us are having with this new law.

The HIPPA privacy forfeiture is a big deal to me. I don't have anything to hide there, but forfeiture of that privacy is a huge open door to all sorts of abuse by and of the system.

That HIPPA thing is the main reason I'm just done with buying firearms in this state; I'm trying to get all the handguns I might want before July 1, and will be done at that point. Surprisingly though, it doesn't look like most people are thinking of it that way; handguns on the various classified forums in this state don't seem to be selling well (including one I'm trying to sell), and I've heard several people talking about buying one "later in the summer". Is it not obvious to everyone how bad the situation really is?

I didnt realize the HIPPA problem was also pistols.

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[Cougartail]

Giving up the right to privacy to exercise a constitutional right.. Sounds like a lawsuit to me.

[tritt007]

I was told no signing over medical rights is required for pistol purchases ? By a sporting systems employee.