meateater buying first lite

[jackelope]

A podcast about a podcast. Hmm...

[Special T]

I saw Rinella in Portland at a predators hunting convention. He didn't speak at all about predators but just about the history of hunters being conservationist. During the Q& A he didn't come off as friendly as I thought he would be or as he is shown on the show(especially when he is joking around with his buddies etc.) it kind of felt like he didn't want to be there which was a shame because the tickets were $100 each and that was my X-Mas gift from my wife. I was so pumped to see Steve live and all I got was 30mins of him talking about the same stuff he does on his show/podcast with an unfriendly Q&A. At the end I didn't even get in line to take a photo or get anything signed from him, I just went home disappointed. I feel like there was a thread on here about it afterwards and if I remember correctly I wasn't the only one disappointed. The saying never meet your heroes comes to mind. That said, I support him still and watch his show on Netflix but I stopped listening to the podcast. Great advocate for hunting and fishing but maybe not the nicest of guys.

Mike Rowe is an exception that your rule. 2c

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[bearpaw]

What isn’t holding up for you guys, only durability issue I had was with their pants...

The material tears too easy in the brush, I think they need to try a merino/synthetic blend to toughen it up. They have a great warranty and have replaced everything my guides have sent back, but they are tired of having to send stuff back to be replaced.

[Bushcraft]

Well, the money you spend on first lite products now goes to line this guys pockets. 
  Chernin has donated over $100,000 to the Democratic Party, candidates & associated organizations, as well as hosting Barack Obama at his home for a fundraiser in 2013.[46][47] He also supported Hillary Clintonin the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[48]

This ^^^.

Always, always, always follow the money folks!

I was interested in buying some of their clothing at one point, but First Lite was dead to me when I learned they were donating a portion of their proceeds and tied at the hip philosophically to the lefties at Backcountry Elect-gun-Hating-Socialist Democrats Hunters & Anglers.

[X-Force]

Well, the money you spend on first lite products now goes to line this guys pockets. 
  Chernin has donated over $100,000 to the Democratic Party, candidates & associated organizations, as well as hosting Barack Obama at his home for a fundraiser in 2013.[46][47] He also supported Hillary Clintonin the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[48]

This ^^^.

Always, always, always follow the money folks!

I was interested in buying some of their clothing at one point, but First Lite was dead to me when I learned they were donating a portion of their proceeds and tied at the hip philosophically to the lefties at Backcountry Elect-gun-Hating-Socialist Democrats Hunters & Anglers.

Having talked with both you and Land. There is no question to me that you are more elitist than he is and that I have no problem with BHA or their stance land, animals and people.

Organizations should have a purpose and stick with it. BHA has more to worry about than your perceived delinquency on gun rights. Hunters are a shrinking demographic and in order to bolster rolls and increase recruitment we as hunters need a larger net.

I am a life member of the NRA and will soon be a life member of BHA both organizations have their purpose.   

[yorketransport]

Well, the money you spend on first lite products now goes to line this guys pockets. 
  Chernin has donated over $100,000 to the Democratic Party, candidates & associated organizations, as well as hosting Barack Obama at his home for a fundraiser in 2013.[46][47] He also supported Hillary Clintonin the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[48]

This ^^^.

Always, always, always follow the money folks!

I was interested in buying some of their clothing at one point, but First Lite was dead to me when I learned they were donating a portion of their proceeds and tied at the hip philosophically to the lefties at Backcountry Elect-gun-Hating-Socialist Democrats Hunters & Anglers.

Was it the actual First Lite corporation donating the money, or was it an owner(s) or executive making the donation? The owner(s) doesn’t always speak to the values of the company just like the company doesn’t always speak to the values of the owner(s).

[KFhunter]

We had a pretty good (heated) debate on that topic regarding Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, do we want to rehash that out here in this thread?   
Or save the work and revive that old thread?

Actually several threads about this topic:
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,236662.0.html

Here's the big one:
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,235660.0.html

[Bushcraft]

Well, the money you spend on first lite products now goes to line this guys pockets. 
  Chernin has donated over $100,000 to the Democratic Party, candidates & associated organizations, as well as hosting Barack Obama at his home for a fundraiser in 2013.[46][47] He also supported Hillary Clintonin the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[48]

This ^^^.

Always, always, always follow the money folks!

I was interested in buying some of their clothing at one point, but First Lite was dead to me when I learned they were donating a portion of their proceeds and tied at the hip philosophically to the lefties at Backcountry Elect-gun-Hating-Socialist Democrats Hunters & Anglers.

Having talked with both you and Land. There is no question to me that you are more elitist than he is and that I have no problem with BHA or their stance land, animals and people.

Organizations should have a purpose and stick with it. BHA has more to worry about than your perceived delinquency on gun rights. Hunters are a shrinking demographic and in order to bolster rolls and increase recruitment we as hunters need a larger net.

I am a life member of the NRA and will soon be a life member of BHA both organizations have their purpose.

Elitist?  Ha! I've been called a lot of things by people that don't like me, but that one takes the cake.   

You've talked with me? When? Where? What did we discuss? What is your name?

When you strip away the veneer, BHA's purpose is nothing more than a carefully orchestrated mechanism to obtain more votes for the Democrat party (you know...the party that's anti-gun, anti-hunting, pro-baby-murdering, pro-higher taxes, pro-illegal immigrant, pro-socialist, pro-wealth transfer theft, etc.). That's it.  Why anyone would support any organization that is supports progressive liberalism is beyond me.

Don't want to shoot yourself?  Well then, don't point a gun at yourself and pull the trigger.

Before you shell out the coin for your life membership I'd recommend you think long and hard about what BHA is actually DOING for hunters that's meaningful. 

Again...follow the money.  Where does it come from? Where does it go? I can tell you it's not coming from their non-elitist rank and file membership...the quantity of which is wildly overstated by the way.
There are far better organizations for hunters and hunting than their thinly veiled clown show.

[Bushcraft]

Well, the money you spend on first lite products now goes to line this guys pockets. 
  Chernin has donated over $100,000 to the Democratic Party, candidates & associated organizations, as well as hosting Barack Obama at his home for a fundraiser in 2013.[46][47] He also supported Hillary Clintonin the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[48]

This ^^^.

Always, always, always follow the money folks!

I was interested in buying some of their clothing at one point, but First Lite was dead to me when I learned they were donating a portion of their proceeds and tied at the hip philosophically to the lefties at Backcountry Elect-gun-Hating-Socialist Democrats Hunters & Anglers.

Was it the actual First Lite corporation donating the money, or was it an owner(s) or executive making the donation? The owner(s) doesn’t always speak to the values of the company just like the company doesn’t always speak to the values of the owner(s).

The corporation via a percentage of their sales.

https://www.firstlite.com/collections/commitment-to-conservation?selectedFilters=%7B%7D

BHA and the TRCP are two sides of the same coin funded by the same foundations.


Ask yourself why don't they have other hunting dot.orgs like RMEF, WSF, MDF, RMEF, SCI, SCIF, DU, DW, NRA, NRA-ILA, etc.?  Answer: Their political philosophy runs much deeper than their catchy name and slick marketing.

[X-Force]

Well, the money you spend on first lite products now goes to line this guys pockets. 
  Chernin has donated over $100,000 to the Democratic Party, candidates & associated organizations, as well as hosting Barack Obama at his home for a fundraiser in 2013.[46][47] He also supported Hillary Clintonin the run-up for the 2016 U.S. presidential election.[48]

This ^^^.

Always, always, always follow the money folks!

I was interested in buying some of their clothing at one point, but First Lite was dead to me when I learned they were donating a portion of their proceeds and tied at the hip philosophically to the lefties at Backcountry Elect-gun-Hating-Socialist Democrats Hunters & Anglers.

Having talked with both you and Land. There is no question to me that you are more elitist than he is and that I have no problem with BHA or their stance land, animals and people.

Organizations should have a purpose and stick with it. BHA has more to worry about than your perceived delinquency on gun rights. Hunters are a shrinking demographic and in order to bolster rolls and increase recruitment we as hunters need a larger net.

I am a life member of the NRA and will soon be a life member of BHA both organizations have their purpose.

Elitist?  Ha! I've been called a lot of things by people that don't like me, but that one takes the cake.   

You've talked with me? When? Where? What did we discuss? What is your name?

When you strip away the veneer, BHA's purpose is nothing more than a carefully orchestrated mechanism to obtain more votes for the Democrat party (you know...the party that's anti-gun, anti-hunting, pro-baby-murdering, pro-higher taxes, pro-illegal immigrant, pro-socialist, pro-wealth transfer theft, etc.). That's it.  Why anyone would support any organization that is supports progressive liberalism is beyond me.

Don't want to shoot yourself?  Well then, don't point a gun at yourself and pull the trigger.

Before you shell out the coin for your life membership I'd recommend you think long and hard about what BHA is actually DOING for hunters that's meaningful. 

Again...follow the money.  Where does it come from? Where does it go? I can tell you it's not coming from their non-elitist rank and file membership...the quantity of which is wildly overstated by the way.
There are far better organizations for hunters and hunting than their thinly veiled clown show.

You do good work through SCI and working with RMGA/Sheep Foundation... and probably others I don’t know about. We have talked on the phone about a project. I don’t not like you but as I don’t understand how an NGO who supports people who support their objectives creates so much animosity. It is not as though support means 100% agreement with that individual.

How could BHA support a republican candidate who support resource exploitation, privatization and exclusion. BHA also has a vested interest in supporting a wide variety of politicians and people because the are attempting to be an inclusive group in and exclusive hobby/lifestyle.

BHA and Land are left of me, even when he and I talked he wouldn’t comment on left and right issues or people so it is not as though I look through the lens of rose colored glasses.  It is easy however to support a hunting/land use organization who is supported by people I trust namely Randy Newberg and Steven Rinella. 

[KFhunter]

My beef with BHA is they try to hide who they are and what they support while cheerleading "access for all" when in fact they only cheerlead for their specific type of access...foot only.

BHA supports more wilderness, that's fine, but be up front and honest about it and collect in like minded individuals that support more wilderness.  I feel that too many hunters are being duped into supporting a conservation group not knowing where their money is going and to what purpose, thus I encourage people to do their homework first and see what BHA is doing and supporting.  I don't deny that BHA is doing good work, some of that work has been done with HW members' money that doesn't support BHA at all and are very critical of them.   So I applaud BHA for doing those projects like the golden doe, but I cannot support things like the quiet waters initiative in Montana.   

I don't wish to keep the left from hunting, I invite them to try it out but I'd like to educate them that yes while they're fit and capable now perhaps they don't want to shoot themselves in the foot by forever limiting various forms of access to public lands by creating more wilderness lest they find themselves no longer able to access once cherished hunting lands.

besides all that I have a problem with making my enemies richer, enabling them to acquire more companies and exert more influence on my dime. 
The same argument can be made about buying Chinese goods so they in turn can build their military up more to threaten us even more and steal more of our technology. 

I do not want one  going to line the pockets of people like Chernin group.

[Bushcraft]

X-Force,

Well, that doesn't really help narrow it down for me.    I've talked with hundreds (thousands?) of people about a litany of projects that benefit the conservation and hunting of nearly every conceivable huntable and non-huntable species in this state. You're definitely drinking the BHA Kool-Aid if you think BHA supports a wide variety of politicians.  They only support leftists.  Prove me wrong.

Here's Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Playbook:

With political races increasingly coming down to polar opposite 50/50 percentages, candidates and public policies are won by changing the minds of a very small fraction of the populace one way or the other.

The Democratic Party recognizes the value in incremental wins. They don't play a stupid last minute Hail Mary game like Republicans and Conservatives do. They are content to pound along yard by yard towards their goal. They play this game better than anyone and they are willing to funnel MILLIONS of dollars through private foundations to entities like BHA to pick up tiny incremental percentages of votes in order to win elections and thereby gain more power and control over the long term.

They realized that the hunting and fishing community has been largely right of center for eons.  Our sub-group has a deep-seated appreciation for hunting and fishing in remote wilderness areas...and was/is ripe for the picking.

By using some slick marketing and an amazing name (I wish I had come up with it!), they attracted a portion of the hunting and fishing community and then subtly (or none-too-subtly) began feeding their "membership" a raft of leftist horse doo-doo propoganda - as Land Tawney has done all his adult life, in the hopes of picking up some votes for the Democrats.

When it comes right down to it, they aren't a "conservation" organization, they are a political front group. And they're doing it all under the guise of a 501(c)3 non-profit status.

They're just arm of the Democratic Party.  They are part of the cancer that is pushing us farther and farther to ruin.

Ergo my animosity.

[KFhunter]

Here's Backcountry Hunters & Anglers Playbook:

With political races increasingly coming down to polar opposite 50/50 percentages, candidates and public policies are won by changing the minds of a very small fraction of the populace one way or the other.

The Democratic Party recognizes the value in incremental wins. They don't play a stupid last minute Hail Mary game like Republicans and Conservatives do.  They are content to pound along yard by yard towards their goal. They play this game better than anyone and they are willing to funnel MILLIONS of dollars through private foundations to entities like BHA to pick up tiny incremental percentages of votes in order to win elections and thereby gain more power and control over the long term.

They realized that the hunting and fishing community has been largely right of center for eons.  Our sub-group has a deep-seated appreciation for hunting and fishing in remote wilderness areas...and was/is ripe for the picking.

By using some slick marketing and an amazing name (I wish I had come up with it!), they attracted a portion of the hunting and fishing community and then subtly (or none-too-subtly) began feeding their "membership" a raft of leftist horse doo-doo propoganda - as Land Tawney has done all his adult life, in the hopes of picking up some votes for the Democrats.

When it comes right down to it, they aren't a "conservation" organization, they are a political front group. And they're doing it all under the guise of a 501(c)3 non-profit status.

They're just arm of the Democratic Party.  They are part of the cancer that is pushing us farther and farther to ruin.

Ergo my animosity.

insidious

[SuperX]

Every time Rinella or BHA or Wolves show up on this site, the worlds supply of tinfoil hats is dangerously depleted.  Isn't there a way to have a discussion about stuff that doesn't end up being reduced to some left versus right conspiracy theory?  These ridiculous claims the right wing has a monopoly on conservation show how ignorant these theories can be - it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.  Some of you guys need a different hobby

[KFhunter]

Every time Rinella or BHA or Wolves show up on this site, the worlds supply of tinfoil hats is dangerously depleted.  Isn't there a way to have a discussion about stuff that doesn't end up being reduced to some left versus right conspiracy theory?  These ridiculous claims the right wing has a monopoly on conservation show how ignorant these theories can be - it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.  Some of you guys need a different hobby

I think blinders are in equally short supply 

it's republicans who are trying to sell off the federal public land, either to the states or to the highest bidder, not the 'liberals'.

This is untrue, there was a faction of the right who advocated this but they've since been silenced by the majority of conservatives and other republicans.


Thanks for bringing this up, it's one more insidious thing BHA does, beat the drums of this idea that the evil right wing is going to sell off public lands to the highest bidder and duping more people afraid of loosing their hunting lands to private companies.  It's simply untrue.