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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #15 on: May 13, 2019, 07:46:11 AM »
probably a mistype.

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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #16 on: June 23, 2019, 09:38:41 PM »
Firearms (non NFA) made for personal use by unlicensed persons are not required to have a serial number or a unique identifier. If you decide to sell it one day, you are not required to have a serial number or unique identifier marked on the firearm.
I'm not 100% sure but your not allowed to sell firearms you make at home .
That would make u a firearm manufacturer without proper licenses. :dunno:
When you make it ,it's yours for life.
Now there's no way of knowing that you sold it except the person who buys it.
I wouldn't get caught.

I am 100% sure that you are allowed to sell firearms that you make for your personal use. It is illegal for unlicensed persons to make firearms with the intent to sell.

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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #17 on: June 23, 2019, 10:14:15 PM »
With the ease of 80% guns I'm not sure why you would chance selling a home made reciever. Additionally I'm not sure why you would do so when if you wanted to change calibers it would be easy to do so while retaining it.

When you check out the palmetto Arms build kitsch and the prices, or the different uppers  available I'm not sure why you would risk it.

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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2019, 02:09:45 PM »
Firearms (non NFA) made for personal use by unlicensed persons are not required to have a serial number or a unique identifier. If you decide to sell it one day, you are not required to have a serial number or unique identifier marked on the firearm.
I'm not 100% sure but your not allowed to sell firearms you make at home .
That would make u a firearm manufacturer without proper licenses. :dunno:
When you make it ,it's yours for life.
Now there's no way of knowing that you sold it except the person who buys it.
I wouldn't get caught.

I am 100% sure that you are allowed to sell firearms that you make for your personal use. It is illegal for unlicensed persons to make firearms with the intent to sell.

That sounds like a grey area I'd like to steer clear of.
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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2019, 08:17:30 PM »
I wouldn't bother with an 80% unless you never plan on selling it. Even if you stamp it they aren't good for resale value.

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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2019, 10:37:11 PM »
I wouldn't bother with an 80% unless you never plan on selling it. Even if you stamp it they aren't good for resale value.

i guess my point would be with all the stupid rules make an 80% and keep it. what are you out? $40 and a few hours? the greatest part of AR builds is th emany different calibers you can have/ own with one setup.

suposidly its legal to sell a homemade gun... but for an extra $80 I would keep it my own safe and not tempt fate.
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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2019, 11:46:20 PM »
Firearms may be lawfully made by persons who do not hold a manufacturer’s license under the GCA provided they are not for sale or distribution and the maker is not prohibited from receiving or possessing firearms.  However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semiautomatic rifle or shotgun from 10 or more imported parts, as set forth in regulations in 27 CFR 478.39.  In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and advance approval by ATF.  An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for the official use of a Federal, State or local government agency (18 U.S.C. § 922(o),(r); 26 U.S.C. § 5822; 27 CFR §§ 478.39, 479.62, and 479.105).   
 
Additionally, although markings are not required on firearms manufactured for personal use (excluding NFA firearms), owners are recommended to conspicuously place or engrave a serial number and/ or other marks of identification to aid in investigation or recovery by State or local law enforcement officials in the event of a theft or loss of the privately owned firearm.



So there may be a grey area regarding intent when making the gun.  If the gun was made for personal use and not for sale, but then later sold...
dangerous waters there.  Personally I would never sell a milled out and completed 80% lower.  As soon as you sell a homemade gun the government can show intent to sell...cause you just sold it


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Re: Question regarding "untraceable" firearms
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2019, 11:57:03 PM »


Sounds like if you want to sell it,you need to put a serial number and register it first.A grey area I want no part of.
And yes I do own a 80lower milled by me for personal use and looked into some laws before hand.

 


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