Do you know these people? (Trail Cam Pics) Mt St Helens Area(more pics added)

[Quaka Wacka]

Got ahold of the guy, met up with him, and we’re good to go. We’re gonna move forward on cordial terms, with the understanding that this won’t happen again.

[Doublelunger]

Don't know them. I'd bet they never saw your camera the first time and when they came back finally noticed it.  They then thought you set up on top of them and did that stuff to retaliate.

[Quaka Wacka]

They certainly could have missed the cam originally; but don’t believe for a second that they thought the brush cleared itself and the white rock salt (they were looking at and standing in) magically appeared. It was pretty obvious that somebody had recently put in some work at that spot. So they got pissed that a potential third party had tried to set up on them after they set up on somebody else? Certainly possible. Honestly not too many thing shock me any more. My theory is they are just A holes.
 

[Dan-o]

Lousy ethics for sure.....


Good luck working it out.

[Bulldozer77]

Doesn't seem like the safest way to tote a handgun..... geez! hope there's not one chambered. 

[Pegasus]

First class a**holes! Even though they did not steal your camera, what they did to that tree constitutes a crime and they definitely deserve to be prosecuted after what they did. Good grief did they take turns gnawing on that tree?

[Widgeondeke]

 
     

[hunter399]

I know your cam is not far enough off the trail ,
Cause that girl looks like she is not walking miles.

[Threewolves]

Doesn't seem like the safest way to tote a handgun..... geez! hope there's not one chambered. 

A striker fired pistol without a proper holster? Stupid. With safety practices like theirs there is a good chance your  hunting situation might be a self-correcting issue. Might accidentally shoot the guy with the holster then accidentally shot her self. Perfect picture of how not to secure a striker fired weapon.

[Crunchy]

Never seen something so unsportsmanlike.  Bad KARMA for them.

[Wazukie]

Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?

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[MtnMuley]

Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?

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Clearing out an area to put salt on an alder choked out skid rd constitutes "clearing" on NF land?

Hope those two missed a corner on their way off the mtn that day and are never seen again.

[Wazukie]

It could on both NF or state land.

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[Naches Sportsman]

Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?

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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.

[Quaka Wacka]

Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?

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I guess that falls into a LEO definition of clearing. Is it illegal to clear brush around a downed elk to make room to process it? Cut a few limbs to hang some quarters or treestand? Or cleared shooting lanes? Brushed up a blind? Cut some brush to setup a tent? I don’t imagine there are many who haven’t done some or most of these. I guess it depends on how absurd a persons definition of clearing is...

[Quaka Wacka]

Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?

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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.

Can you quote this technical source?

[270Hunter]

That’s some BS! Wish I could help but they don’t look familiar to me. I’ll show some of my friends and see if they recognize them. We need to watch our backs out here.

[meatwhack]

On federal land it is illegal although that law isn’t followed very often.

[Wazukie]

It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another.  Just my thoughts.

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[KFhunter]

It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another.  Just my thoughts.

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These two "illegal" activities are nothing alike, chopping a tree so its a 'booby trap' is a crime of turpitude, clearing an area and applying salt does not involve a moral turpitude or intent to harm someone.  And I'm still not certain your assertions that it is even a crime is true in either case.

@Quaka Wacka
The way the tree was chopped reminds me of a forestry worker, that is a specific pattern for a specific purpose. 
I don't think random people would chop a tree like that.

[Wazukie]

Illegal is illegal, yet is there absolute proof that it was those in the pictures that cut the tree?

As for the cutting of trees from a decommissioned skidder road, well I can tell you that that is pretty much illegal.  The salt block, well that could also be illegal because intentionally leaving "trash" in the Forrest is a ticketable offense.  I don't know the specific federal code, but I do know of several who have been charged for such offenses.

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[Buckmark]

Can we combine the two threads about the same subject  mods?

[KFhunter]

Illegal is illegal, yet is there absolute proof that it was those in the pictures that cut the tree?

As for the cutting of trees from a decommissioned skidder road, well I can tell you that that is pretty much illegal.  The salt block, well that could also be illegal because intentionally leaving "trash" in the Forrest is a ticketable offense.  I don't know the specific federal code, but I do know of several who have been charged for such offenses.

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I don't know the specifics of that forest, but it isn't illegal to put salt in most national forest, cattlemen have been doing for years and years. 
WDFW allows a bucket worth of bait, so that isn't an issue.   

If you assert something is illegal, due diligence would ask that you quote a source unless its obvious.   As I said, I'm not sure it is illegal in this case, national forests are a case by case basis.

poaching a live tree is always illegal, so no legal source would be needed on that one (obvious).   


We don't know that these people did it, the OP say's it was, so face value here?  OP probably has more pictures?

[KFhunter]

Can we combine the two threads about the same subject  mods?

 

[Pegasus]

It is illegal to damage or cut trees on public or private land without permission and these two losers deserve to be prosecuted for doing so. Not just because they violated the law but because they are a**holes for screwing with someone else's camera and intentionally trying to injure the owner. Lock em up!

[MtnMuley]

Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?

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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.

Can you quote this technical source?

  Sounds a little like calling the kettle black, huh naches?

[Naches Sportsman]

Isn't it illegal to do your own clearing in national forest land?

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Technically, putting a salt block out is illegal too.

Can you quote this technical source?

  Sounds a little like calling the kettle black, huh naches?

It's in the code of federal regulations. I don't agree with it being illegal either but salt kills the grass and animals will make the area worse and attract invasive weeds. Some areas are anal about people putting salt blocks out.

I was called by the LEO that works on my forest and was told that I had a week to remove my salt blocks or he would write me a ticket. A biologist found one of my cameras and reported me.

[Igottanewknee]

I'm gonna get this back on track. I don't know them. 

[Quaka Wacka]

 
I’m quickly reminded why I don’t get online and post much anymore.

Wadukie- I’m sorry your life is so miserable, that this is how you get your kicks. I hope things turn around for you. I know your cousins, best friends, coworkers son in law got a ticket for doing the exact same thing, but one would have to get awfull mouthy with a LEO to get a ticket for cutting back alder on a skidder road. I’m curious what law (specifically) your citing that makes this illegal?

To the mods, combine away. Sorry for the double post, wasn’t sure which category it went in.

KFHunter- I thought the same thing about the cut. It was very intentionally back cut.

As far as salt being illegal, I was unaware that it was an issue. Through the SAR work, I know and chat with the LEOs frequently. When I pull over to chat with them I tell them I’m packing salt and checking cams. I guess I should specifically ask them. I certainly don’t want to be out of compliance or risk a ticket.  I imagine it will depend on the circumstances. If I dump a bunch of salt in a grassy meadow or near a stream I would expect complaints. On an old road bed or scraping back a layer of duff and pine needles to ash or pumice isn’t as likely to garner any attention.  As with all things common sense still applies. But I still need to check, so thanks for the heads up.

Thanks to all those who contributed constructive input to the discussion.

[Wazukie]

Interesting that I ask a question and I'm attacked.  If I offended you in any way, I apologize, but I don't think it actually warrented a personal attack.  If you knew me, you would know that I rerelly post on here anymore.  Sorry I asked the questions or stated that I know people, people that I know well, that have received tickets for either leaving minerals or such, or for clearing trees off of forest land. 

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[Jake Dogfish]

I have to ask, hopefully no one gets offended. 

How do you know it’s the people pictured who mutilated the tree?
If they already knew they were on camera it seems like a dumb thing to do.

[duckmen1]

 
Leave my trees alone. 

I would have to guess that's who did it. Even if they new they were on camera. People can be that stupid. And generally are. At least when I encounter people. Although it is nice to have a change occasionally and encounter a level headed person.

[Jellymon]

Tree lives matter.

[Bucks2Ducks]

I don't think he personally attacked you? Just questioned why he even posted on here. Put yourself in his situation, you wouldn't be upset? When you say "It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another", that's the type of comment that you were clearly trying to get a argument going. You really think him putting salt out is the same as throwing a truck full of tires into the woods, and clearing some brush out of an overgrown skid road is the same as cutting down a tree? If that's the case 90% of the hunters on here need a ticket.   

[Jason]

I don't think he personally attacked you? Just questioned why he even posted on here. Put yourself in his situation, you wouldn't be upset? When you say "It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another", that's the type of comment that you were clearly trying to get a argument going. You really think him putting salt out is the same as throwing a truck full of tires into the woods, and clearing some brush out of an overgrown skid road is the same as cutting down a tree? If that's the case 90% of the hunters on here need a ticket.

No more clearing trails.

[TheStovePipeKid]

If that's the case 90% of the hunters on here need a ticket.

I'd say that's pretty accurate. Most hunters carry snips or some other form of pruning device to help tend to nature's garden while out hunting.

[treefarmer]

I just can’t get over how strange that cut is in that tree? Can’t imagine they were tying to sabotage you or set a trap as you couldn’t possibly miss that? Maybe they were attempting to fall it and with their obvious inexperienced injured themselves and left?  Also the brush pile appears to have a chunk that was cut with a chainsaw or at least a handsaw.  Why not use that to fall the tree?   Anyways I don’t know them and please keep that crazy ness on that side of the Gifford

[slavenoid]

I know nothing about forestry practices but it looks like there is a second downed tree in the background. Is it possible these trees were purposely cut down and someone left it up long enough for you to grab the camera?

[Quaka Wacka]

I appreciate the input from everybody. This has understandably started a lot of side conversations. My goal was to get this sorted out before hunting season to avoid any potential conflicts then. As pissed as I am I’d prefer not to ruin any hunting days with said conflicts.  I went back and pulled some pics and omitted my conclusions, and simply stated the facts. I don’t want to deter these folks or their friends from coming forward to sort this out.

Also to clarify baiting rules, I checked and it’s 10gal not 5 gal max.

[KFhunter]

I don't think he personally attacked you? Just questioned why he even posted on here. Put yourself in his situation, you wouldn't be upset? When you say "It's interesting that one would moan about assumed illegal activity, yet indulge in another", that's the type of comment that you were clearly trying to get a argument going. You really think him putting salt out is the same as throwing a truck full of tires into the woods, and clearing some brush out of an overgrown skid road is the same as cutting down a tree? If that's the case 90% of the hunters on here need a ticket.

 

[KFhunter]

I just can’t get over how strange that cut is in that tree? Can’t imagine they were tying to sabotage you or set a trap as you couldn’t possibly miss that? Maybe they were attempting to fall it and with their obvious inexperienced injured themselves and left?  Also the brush pile appears to have a chunk that was cut with a chainsaw or at least a handsaw.  Why not use that to fall the tree?   Anyways I don’t know them and please keep that crazy ness on that side of the Gifford

And incredibly stupid.  If someone got hurt trying to get back their camera, the liability and criminal aspect.  Even if the op tried to chop the tree down to get the camera and it fell stupid due to the dangerous cuts in it.

Dumb Dumb Dumb

And his face is on camera (so he should assume) and did it anyways! Not hard to fathom LE could find who it was and build a manslaughter case or worse if the op got killed by the tree

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[Threewolves]

No, I do not recognize them.

NOTE: Comic relief. I was pulling a sheet of clean paper out of the trash just to make a temporary note and a buddy says "What are you doing?" I said "Trying to save a tree." He said "Why? If you kill one tree they are going to plant five more."

[Quaka Wacka]

New pics added. Looks like he uses the same style holster...

[JakeLand]

I think same woman but different dude ??

[Quaka Wacka]

Guy is wearing the same shoes, and sunglasses on the brim. Also same build and “Russell” workwear style pants. Hard to tell from the picture, but looks like an orange handled machete strapped to his pack? Woman is also wearing the same shoes and same build.

[Bango skank]

Complete morons carrying guns around like that.  If you can afford a gun, you can afford a cheap holster.  Maybe the sow just cant find a belt big enough to get around its panniculus?