Cougar pursuit ??

[time2hunt]

https://www.conservationnw.org/news-updates/perspectives-on-hound-training-bills/
Anyone been keeping up on this? The game department around here didn’t even know it passed.


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[WAcoyotehunter]

The season and details are still being hashed out but it is going to be pretty small scale and limited to begin with.  Hound hunters have a ways to go to rebuild trust with the larger hunting community and with conservation groups. 

[trophyhunt]

The season and details are still being hashed out but it is going to be pretty small scale and limited to begin with.  Hound hunters have a ways to go to rebuild trust with the larger hunting community and with conservation groups.

a few get to participate is what my buddy said, he runs cats for Wdfw.

[WAcoyotehunter]

This bill was passed through the house and senate and a group of us worked hard to make it passable but still effective.  There were lots of compromises but it finally got a PASS vote from WDFW commission! 

It will allow 50 hound pursuit permits statewide after a pretty serious screening.  It also requires quite a bit of communication with WDFW enforcement staff.

[Special T]

This bill was passed through the house and senate and a group of us worked hard to make it passable but still effective.  There were lots of compromises but it finally got a PASS vote from WDFW commission! 

It will allow 50 hound pursuit permits statewide after a pretty serious screening.  It also requires quite a bit of communication with WDFW enforcement staff.

Did Koontz vote for this?

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[WAcoyotehunter]

He did not.  I think the three NO votes were Kuntz, Smith, and Isaacson.

[Special T]

He did not.  I think the three NO votes were Kuntz, Smith, and Isaacson.

Isaacson seems a surprise... i figued some one else....

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[WAcoyotehunter]

Maybe I better double check on that.... I could be wrong on that one. 

[Limhangerslayer]

I’m a 0% fan of conservation northwest.  And this whole cougar bull is smoke and mirrors to make a small special interest group happy.  It’s not helping any way in cougar harvest in this state.  Quotas should be larger and hounds should be legal for a take season.  I used to do it when it was legal here and it was one of my favorite things.  My grandpa did it from the late 60’s on and taught us the ropes.

[Tbar]

He did not.  I think the three NO votes were Kuntz, Smith, and Isaacson.

The three no votes were Baker, Koontz and Smith.

[Special T]

He did not.  I think the three NO votes were Kuntz, Smith, and Isaacson.

The three no votes were Baker, Koontz and Smith.

That sounds more like it.. i figured Baker had to be part of that group.

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[WAcoyotehunter]

Thank you.  Sorry for the mistake

[Skyvalhunter]

Is there a video of the meeting so we can listen to each members rationale for voting the way they did?

[hunter399]

I've had hounds before ,a bill like this sounds great for someone that has already invested time and money into there hounds and need training time. Would I go out and get into hounds and start training and all that with absolutely no hope of ever hunting with them ,ah NO. So it's not really something for me.But don't really have any problems with it.

Do I want training hounds out Durring certain seasons when I'm trying to be a "boot hunter" for certain animals.Ahh NO,
So other than that being that certain times of the year may be better for training to take place. I really don't see a problem with it.

[MtnMuley]

I’m a 0% fan of conservation northwest.  And this whole cougar bull is smoke and mirrors to make a small special interest group happy.  It’s not helping any way in cougar harvest in this state.  Quotas should be larger and hounds should be legal for a take season.  I used to do it when it was legal here and it was one of my favorite things.  My grandpa did it from the late 60’s on and taught us the ropes.

You said it perfect. I see it only benefiting a "select few" like it has for the past many years. The same select few would rather it be that way too. Pathetic.

[hunter399]

I’m a 0% fan of conservation northwest.  And this whole cougar bull is smoke and mirrors to make a small special interest group happy.  It’s not helping any way in cougar harvest in this state.  Quotas should be larger and hounds should be legal for a take season.  I used to do it when it was legal here and it was one of my favorite things.  My grandpa did it from the late 60’s on and taught us the ropes.

You said it perfect. I see it only benefiting a "select few" like it has for the past many years. The same select few would rather it be that way too. Pathetic.

Pathetic is right,no joking there.
Sad reality is Washington will become California and cougar hunting will be erased. A bill such as this is needed for that direction. Cause who will deal with conflicts ,a houndsmen.
Cougar Hunting is purely recreation in some people's mind .
When some conservation groups can prove that it is purely recreation and hunters are no longer needed as a management tool ,bammm COUGAR HUNTING ERASED.

My advise go out and hunt cougar while we still can.

[Houndhunter]

I was really excited about this bill two years ago, I was there when the senate approved it. Than I found out that it really doesn't change anything.... It just helped the select few, who could run dogs already, keep the ability to run dogs. Is it a step in the right direction? My opinion not really, but congrats those few who this bill effects.

[KFhunter]

So basically it helps WDFW keep a cadre of hounds at their disposal.

Don't want to run problem cougar for us for free?   We'll find someone else for this program then...



Says right in there they gotta work closely with WDFW...means calling everywhere you go and working problem cougar at any time of day any day of the week.  Be OK for a retired guy I guess?

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[Special T]

Ive never been hound hunting, never owned hounds... I hear some of your guys gripes and kind of understand.

Sportsmen dont seem to accept incremental change like the Animal Rights crowd does! They celebrate every small victory and use it to launch a new attack.

Im happy for this victory and that I did my small part and sent in comments and encouraged my friends to do so.

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[WAcoyotehunter]

Sportsmen dont seem to accept incremental change like the Animal Rights crowd does! They celebrate every small victory and use it to launch a new attack.

Im happy for this victory and that I did my small part and sent in comments and encouraged my friends to do so.

Exactly.  We need to go after every opportunity we can

[BreezyBear]

Maybe this explains this guy showing up on one of my cameras this summer.

[Special T]

https://nwsportsmanmag.com/wdfw-commission-approves-nonlethal-hound-pursuit-training-protocols/

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[Tbar]

Sportsmen dont seem to accept incremental change like the Animal Rights crowd does! They celebrate every small victory and use it to launch a new attack.

Im happy for this victory and that I did my small part and sent in comments and encouraged my friends to do so.

Exactly.  We need to go after every opportunity we can

In addition I would thinks it's wise to keep this in the correct context.  This is a conservation rule and bill. It is not a hunting proposal nor should it be considered as such. Although it may be a stop gap in our road to California management, it's definitely not a pathway. What's happening in Klickitat will fast track its to a California management scheme. You heard the widespread public outcry against Klickitat, including residents of the county.

And as for the voting by the commission, this was troubling. 3 commissioners voted against a conservation and public safety rule adoption. Very concerning.

[Special T]

Tbar I think counties running cat possies will come to a head one way or the other.

1 come counties will choose to fight back and force the issue.

2 This pursit only training season will be too effective and bring forth too much data. The ARs wont stand for that and in a few years we will be right back where we are now...

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[Tbar]

Tbar I think counties running cat possies will come to a head one way or the other.

1 come counties will choose to fight back and force the issue.

2 This pursit only training season will be too effective and bring forth too much data. The ARs wont stand for that and in a few years we will be right back where we are now...

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The counties are a couple court cases away from being restrained. Also they are going to be at a deficiency in terms of expertise, which the ngo crowd seems to have endless numbers of junk scientists.

[Special T]

Tbar I think counties running cat possies will come to a head one way or the other.

1 come counties will choose to fight back and force the issue.

2 This pursit only training season will be too effective and bring forth too much data. The ARs wont stand for that and in a few years we will be right back where we are now...

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The counties are a couple court cases away from being restrained. Also they are going to be at a deficiency in terms of expertise, which the ngo crowd seems to have endless numbers of junk scientists.

Well I gues that means they should take the next couple of years to prepare and keep their powder dry because a showdown is inevitable... The AR wont stop, history has shown us that.

[Tbar]

I would rather take the time to try to educate and change views. Also expose their deficiencies and build bridges. Good luck with your approach though Special T, I think in the end we both want to try to save hunting in this state.

[Special T]

I would rather take the time to try to educate and change views. Also expose their deficiencies and build bridges. Good luck with your approach though Special T, I think in the end we both want to try to save hunting in this state.

Build bridges with who exactly? The only group that we would greatly benifit from building bridges with is the general public so they have an Idea of what is going on...

[Tbar]

I would rather take the time to try to educate and change views. Also expose their deficiencies and build bridges. Good luck with your approach though Special T, I think in the end we both want to try to save hunting in this state.

Build bridges with who exactly? The only group that we would greatly benifit from building bridges with is the general public so they have an Idea of what is going on...

 
Best of luck with your approach and preparation.

[callturner]

The whole idea makes me want to puke! I read the story in the paper this am. The so called commissioners who voted against it are defiantly liberal whack jobs. I ran hounds for22 years before they were outlawed. We offered this option to the State for a couple of years after the season was lost to a bunch of uninformed hippies. No go. Now when the over population of cougars and bears is really starting to show, they want our help. The paper said there was 176 houndsman pushing for this and they want to give 50 permits! What about the rest of the dog men?  And yes problem bears were mentioned in the article. I say WDFW and the commissioners can stuff it. They were warned and did nothing to help the hunters at the time and now there trying to figure a cheap way out without looking bad. The hound hunters were an excellent control tool at the time. 

[Special T]

I would rather take the time to try to educate and change views. Also expose their deficiencies and build bridges. Good luck with your approach though Special T, I think in the end we both want to try to save hunting in this state.

Build bridges with who exactly? The only group that we would greatly benifit from building bridges with is the general public so they have an Idea of what is going on...

 
Best of luck with your approach and preparation.

So Ive had some time to marinate  on your statements. I think i took what you said differently than you intended. Possibly because I think ive been saying this for some time but perhaps just not in a discussion with you.

If im understanding you correctly your building bridges statement is directed at sportsmen orgs banding together to protect hunting. We stand strong together but have to put some petty squabbling aside. Im for that, have said so, and advocated for folks to get involved in whatever sportsmen org they enjoy to defend the sport. We need more folks to take this challenge on.

I percieved that you thought part of that reaching out was to non consumptive environmental groups and some that pretend to be sportsmen friendly...

There is one group i have mentioned in the past but should have imediatly thought of... The Tribes in this state. A recent example was a Tribal Bio standing with the Washington Waterfowlers Association to prevent the closure of Drayton Harbor near Blaine. The county tried to carve out a hunting exemption for just the tribes but the bio did not capitulate. The Waterfowl Association likely would have been run over if the Tribes had not stood with sportsmen.  Sportsmen have some sticky issues with Tribes but the reality is they are the most powerful consumptive user of wildlife that advocates in this state. Animal rights activists fear the absolute rights of tribes, the need for pedator control, and the fact that they cannot exert any meaningful pressure against them....

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