Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020

[Bango skank]

Here are current mortality totals.  Note the "hunt total" column, which are the only ones that are supposed to be counting toward the harvest guideline, are all still below the quota.  Looking at "total mortality" in comparison to hunt total shows you how many depredation removals are occurring.  This is indicative of a serious problem.

CORRECTION,  looks like theyve all met quota other than 101and 113

[Bango skank]

Temove incidental harvest and that would imilinate what,  98% of the harvest?

Wild guess on my part, but its gotta be super high!

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Id guess that number isnt far off.

[KFhunter]

Ive never come across another cat hunter, trappers yes never a lion caller

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[buckfvr]

Some how we need to pressure wdfw and the commission to require proposals be signed by the author.  I think one of the requirements for a proposal to even be read/considered, would be a signature of those or the individual responsible.

How can we challenge proposals that contain false or misinformation directly to the author that is unknown.  If they write a proposal, they sure as hell should stand up and be accountable for it.

[Bango skank]

Some how we need to pressure wdfw and the commission to require proposals be signed by the author.  I think one of the requirements for a proposal to even be read/considered, would be a signature of those or the individual responsible.

How can we challenge proposals that contain false or misinformation directly to the author that is unknown.  If they write a proposal, they sure as hell should stand up and be accountable for it.

Damn right

[Bango skank]

Okay, you guys got to read through this.  One option is to abolish the quota.  One is to reverse it so the quota shutdowns would only be in effect during the early season, with the late season open no matter what.  Option 3, flat out closing the season after dec 31st.

https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2019-12/draft__alternatives_for_cougar_management_final_draft.pdf

[ctwiggs1]

I’ll read it through tomorrow but offhand I think Option C is what we need be very vocal in opposing.  It’s going to be hard to rally people to hunt cougar during deer and elk seasons.

[Bango skank]

I’ll read it through tomorrow but offhand I think Option C is what we need be very vocal in opposing.  It’s going to be hard to rally people to hunt cougar during deer and elk seasons.

And we need to be very vocal in opposing the proposal to not open cougar until after general deer and elk seasons.  That would effectively eliminate damn near all hunter harvest.  Nobody would be killing cats here except the guys doing the depredation removals.  It would basically be california

[hunter399]

 I thought I read something about using cougar tag holders for hound depredations removals ,i like that option.Its like a guided hunt for free.

[Bango skank]

I thought I read something about using cougar tag holders for hound depredations removals ,i like that option.Its like a guided hunt for free.

Sounds to me like a way to make depredation removals count toward the harvest quota.  I dont like it one bit.

[hunter399]

I’ll read it through tomorrow but offhand I think Option C is what we need be very vocal in opposing.  It’s going to be hard to rally people to hunt cougar during deer and elk seasons.

And we need to be very vocal in opposing the proposal to not open cougar until after general deer and elk seasons.  That would effectively eliminate damn near all hunter harvest.  Nobody would be killing cats here except the guys doing the depredation removals.  It would basically be california

But the chances of me seeing a cougar are slim as a rifle Hunter for deer .
Then I have to stay at home with kids,and sit on the couch and talk to the wife and talk about our feelings .
ALL WINTER.

[TheStovePipeKid]

Why on earth would evaluating social dynamics (people) and adjusting guidelines even be a consideration? How does that fit into their stupid narrative of "good science".

[Bango skank]

I’ll read it through tomorrow but offhand I think Option C is what we need be very vocal in opposing.  It’s going to be hard to rally people to hunt cougar during deer and elk seasons.

And we need to be very vocal in opposing the proposal to not open cougar until after general deer and elk seasons.  That would effectively eliminate damn near all hunter harvest.  Nobody would be killing cats here except the guys doing the depredation removals.  It would basically be california

But the chances of me seeing a cougar are slim as a rifle Hunter for deer .
Then I have to stay at home with kids,and sit on the couch and talk to the wife and talk about our feelings .
ALL WINTER.

Or you could go out and actively hunt cougar outside of deer season rather than support a proposal that will result in premature quota closures and reduce hunter opportunity and the total number of lions killed just for your own personal sense of satisfaction in notching a tag that youre saying you wont actually work to fill.

[Bango skank]

Why on earth would evaluating social dynamics (people) and adjusting guidelines even be a consideration? How does that fit into their stupid narrative of "good science".

Didnt you know?  Science = feelings.  Duh.

[gramps]

Thanks Bango for your work on this.

Wheredid you find the mortality data?
The season closure page hasn't been updated since Aug. 29