Official notice that lion changes are on the table for 2020

[Bango skank]

Thanks Bango for your work on this.

Wheredid you find the mortality data?
The season closure page hasn't been updated since Aug. 29

I got it by annoying people with emails.

[gramps]

Tks.
I haven't been able to get an update from anyone in the office down here re: harvest to date.  About 3 weeks ago there had only been 3 tagged locally.
Last 3 yrs harvest in the blues has exceeded the quota by double by the end of Dec.

I have made 13 trips so far and 21 calling sets in areas where I have seen and harvested cougar, trapped bobcats and nothing so far but wolves.

[hunter399]

I’ll read it through tomorrow but offhand I think Option C is what we need be very vocal in opposing.  It’s going to be hard to rally people to hunt cougar during deer and elk seasons.

And we need to be very vocal in opposing the proposal to not open cougar until after general deer and elk seasons.  That would effectively eliminate damn near all hunter harvest.  Nobody would be killing cats here except the guys doing the depredation removals.  It would basically be california

But the chances of me seeing a cougar are slim as a rifle Hunter for deer .
Then I have to stay at home with kids,and sit on the couch and talk to the wife and talk about our feelings .
ALL WINTER.

Or you could go out and actively hunt cougar outside of deer season rather than support a proposal that will result in premature quota closures and reduce hunter opportunity and the total number of lions killed just for your own personal sense of satisfaction in notching a tag that youre saying you wont actually work to fill.

Was kinda jokeing .
But I will support what ever option that works for me.
Honestly I kinda like the quotas being in the early season ,And being able to hunt till April .Your looking for harvest rates.I'm looking for quality time I can spend in the woods without a huge pumpkin patch.
Just FYI you should never assume how much time I spend in the woods , you may be surprised.

[Bango skank]

Tks.
I haven't been able to get an update from anyone in the office down here re: harvest to date.  About 3 weeks ago there had only been 3 tagged locally.
Last 3 yrs harvest in the blues has exceeded the quota by double by the end of Dec.

I have made 13 trips so far and 21 calling sets in areas where I have seen and harvested cougar, trapped bobcats and nothing so far but wolves.

Everywhere i go looking for bobcat tracks its wolf tracks, wolf tracks, wolf tracks.  When i go to idaho tomorrow looking for wolves it will probably just be bobcat tracks everywhere 

[Bango skank]

I’ll read it through tomorrow but offhand I think Option C is what we need be very vocal in opposing.  It’s going to be hard to rally people to hunt cougar during deer and elk seasons.

And we need to be very vocal in opposing the proposal to not open cougar until after general deer and elk seasons.  That would effectively eliminate damn near all hunter harvest.  Nobody would be killing cats here except the guys doing the depredation removals.  It would basically be california

But the chances of me seeing a cougar are slim as a rifle Hunter for deer .
Then I have to stay at home with kids,and sit on the couch and talk to the wife and talk about our feelings .
ALL WINTER.

Or you could go out and actively hunt cougar outside of deer season rather than support a proposal that will result in premature quota closures and reduce hunter opportunity and the total number of lions killed just for your own personal sense of satisfaction in notching a tag that youre saying you wont actually work to fill.

Was kinda jokeing .
But I will support what ever option that works for me.
Honestly I kinda like the quotas being in the early season ,And being able to hunt till April .Your looking for harvest rates.I'm looking for quality time I can spend in the woods without a huge pumpkin patch.
Just FYI you should never assume how much time I spend in the woods , you may be surprised.

You said yourself after deer season youd be sitting on the couch. 

And whatever option works for you, meaning works for you filling a cougar tag...  what about what works for the health of our herds?  We need to help our ungulate populations, thats more important than you filling a tag on a depredation hound hunt.  Tjink about something bigger than your own personal gratification.

Does losing otc mule deer hunting work for you?  Does losing otc late mf whitetail work for you?  How about big reductions in moose permits snd elk opportunities, does that work for you?  Because its all in the near future if we dont start bringing down our predator numbers.

[Humptulips]

It appears to me the Department is still wedded to the same harvest guidelines, 12% to 16% of their estimate of the population . F is the only option I see that might differ from that and it doesn't sound like they are rallying around that option.
The only hope for increased harvest seems to be Option F or they will increase the population estimate based on localized habitat conditions. I get the feeling from reading it they will not increase the Statewide population but just move things around so that there will be no real change.
I lobbyied them for trapping and not even a mention of it.
I predict whatever they do will be of no consequence. I hope I am wrong.

[hunter399]

I’ll read it through tomorrow but offhand I think Option C is what we need be very vocal in opposing.  It’s going to be hard to rally people to hunt cougar during deer and elk seasons.

And we need to be very vocal in opposing the proposal to not open cougar until after general deer and elk seasons.  That would effectively eliminate damn near all hunter harvest.  Nobody would be killing cats here except the guys doing the depredation removals.  It would basically be california

But the chances of me seeing a cougar are slim as a rifle Hunter for deer .
Then I have to stay at home with kids,and sit on the couch and talk to the wife and talk about our feelings .
ALL WINTER.

Or you could go out and actively hunt cougar outside of deer season rather than support a proposal that will result in premature quota closures and reduce hunter opportunity and the total number of lions killed just for your own personal sense of satisfaction in notching a tag that youre saying you wont actually work to fill.

Was kinda jokeing .
But I will support what ever option that works for me.
Honestly I kinda like the quotas being in the early season ,And being able to hunt till April .Your looking for harvest rates.I'm looking for quality time I can spend in the woods without a huge pumpkin patch.
Just FYI you should never assume how much time I spend in the woods , you may be surprised.

You said yourself after deer season youd be sitting on the couch. 

And whatever option works for you, meaning works for you filling a cougar tag...  what about what works for the health of our herds?  We need to help our ungulate populations, thats more important than you filling a tag on a depredation hound hunt.  Tjink about something bigger than your own personal gratification.

I know me and you just can't get along.

The way I see it bear season starts in August.That starts to put animals on alert .My chances go down from there, labor day,grouse etc .all seasons kick in .my chances of seeing a coug go down and down.Then all the people go home and I can take $hit in the woods without looking over my shoulder.

I'm basically saying I'm sick of quota after Jan 1.I like to snowshoe around with a tag to burn,but that might only be me.

I don't have faith that much is gonna save deer and elk.I do believe there is a balance between Prey/Predator.Its been way off balance for many years too long.

You have been asking for more opportunity , just like the poll says at the top of the page now your not happy with the great opportunity there giving ya .Just keep blasting with emails before you know it  opportunity should be great.A few pages back I said I would wait to send my email till I seen the changes now I will send.

I do like the idea of a lucky tag holder getting a hound hunt and not the property owner, I think its great way to keep those cats out of the state pit.

You wanna help deer-elk let's get trapping regs changed now that will make a difference.

[Bango skank]

Youre saying youre sick of the quota after jan 1st...  well thats exactly what youll have in every unit every year if they allow hunters to tag along on depredation removals.  Every unit would close jan 1st, and your only option to hunt cougars would be to tag along on a depredation removal.  How many names will be in the hat for that?  It would essentially change all cougar hunting in this state to a lottery draw for a hunt accompanying wdfw.  And it would decrease total harvest.  But you just want to fill a tag.  Screw whats right for our herds.

[hunter399]

Youre saying youre sick of the quota after jan 1st...  well thats exactly what youll have in every unit every year if they allow hunters to tag along on depredation removals.  Every unit would close jan 1st, and your only option to hunt cougars would be to tag along on a depredation removal.  How many names will be in the hat for that?  It would essentially change all cougar hunting in this state to a lottery draw for a hunt accompanying wdfw.  And it would decrease total harvest.  But you just want to fill a tag.  Screw whats right for our herds.

I'm not sure why your so upset ?
Most units already close as of Jan 1.
WDFW already outlined there trying to keep harvest rates the same.
 
You can't kill all the cats and bears leave everything to wolves and think there will be some deer-elk resurrection.Will it help maybe.
We can spit fire all day at each other,but we have all seen this a few times WDFW will do which one they want,we will all comment on how it's sucks and it's a done deal.

[KFhunter]

Bango, if you raised some goats you'd for sure get a free hound hunt AND you could tag your lion!

How freaking pathetic is that?

I could see people getting some goats just for this, a hound hunt in Idaho is how much?

Depredation hunts shouldnt go towards a quota, even if its tagged, and if people start doing that with goats, sheep etc then no one should keep the lions

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[Elkslayer]

Just continues to get crazier all the time that is on of the craziest proposals I've heard.

So how bout this program to harass cats to get them to stop depredations. Are they going to continue this and have hunters out there and possibly being interfered with. Those cats that they harass may become darn near impossible to hunt after they're done. That's the goal to learn to avoid humans. Don't think it's a good idea, when we need to help our ungulates this doesn't do anything but possibly have a negative impact.

It’s happened to me twice and let me tell you I’m not to happy about it. Went in this morning with my son planning on calling in two different areas. Hit one side of the road first and while I was calling they dumped the dogs out on the other side of the road. I could tell they had one treed up on top of the ridge by the time I got back to the truck.
Also messed up a late archery deer hunt back on Dec 5th in the same area.
They should have to wait until seasons are over to do this hazing study. My opinion is that it’s a complete waste of time and money anyway. The cat they are attempting to haze is not leaving the area at all. We have it on camera every week.
The way I see it, today’s stunt just screwed me out of a opportunity to punch my tag.


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[hunter399]

If they do start calling hunters to kill treed cougar on depredation hunts .They should have to run down a list of disabled hunters ,Youth hunters, first.

Bango, if you raised some goats you'd for sure get a free hound hunt AND you could tag your lion!

How freaking pathetic is that?

I could see people getting some goats just for this, a hound hunt in Idaho is how much?

Depredation hunts shouldnt go towards a quota, even if its tagged, and if people start doing that with goats, sheep etc then no one should keep the lions

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KF I think they are trying to get away from property owners taging , And calling Hunters in the area that have cougar tags to come shoot and tag.But could be wrong

[KFhunter]

that would be better,  horrible to think someone could raise goats just for a free lion hunt so I don't think that's a thing. 

[bigskyhounds]

Just continues to get crazier all the time that is on of the craziest proposals I've heard.

So how bout this program to harass cats to get them to stop depredations. Are they going to continue this and have hunters out there and possibly being interfered with. Those cats that they harass may become darn near impossible to hunt after they're done. That's the goal to learn to avoid humans. Don't think it's a good idea, when we need to help our ungulates this doesn't do anything but possibly have a negative impact.

It’s happened to me twice and let me tell you I’m not to happy about it. Went in this morning with my son planning on calling in two different areas. Hit one side of the road first and while I was calling they dumped the dogs out on the other side of the road. I could tell they had one treed up on top of the ridge by the time I got back to the truck.
Also messed up a late archery deer hunt back on Dec 5th in the same area.
They should have to wait until seasons are over to do this hazing study. My opinion is that it’s a complete waste of time and money anyway. The cat they are attempting to haze is not leaving the area at all. We have it on camera every week.
The way I see it, today’s stunt just screwed me out of a opportunity to punch my tag.


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Heard they chased a cat near horseshoe yesterday. Was this incident neat there? Ya they shouldn't be interfering with legal hunts or tranquilizing cats while a season is open. Just amazes me more and more all the time how backwards things are done by those in charge.

How does this harassment program even get approved but a pursuit season goes no where? I was told they had 7 meetings to discuss the pursuit season. These people are being paid to sit down and figure it out. Guess what they figured out nothing?

Hound hunting and wildlife issues should not be in politics or be voted on by undeducated people. But when the people in charge want to take away opportunity and manage for predators it's a scary period we are being forced to live through I only hope some of those in charge realize how screwed up things are and they turn the other way.

[Elkslayer]

Just continues to get crazier all the time that is on of the craziest proposals I've heard.

So how bout this program to harass cats to get them to stop depredations. Are they going to continue this and have hunters out there and possibly being interfered with. Those cats that they harass may become darn near impossible to hunt after they're done. That's the goal to learn to avoid humans. Don't think it's a good idea, when we need to help our ungulates this doesn't do anything but possibly have a negative impact.

It’s happened to me twice and let me tell you I’m not to happy about it. Went in this morning with my son planning on calling in two different areas. Hit one side of the road first and while I was calling they dumped the dogs out on the other side of the road. I could tell they had one treed up on top of the ridge by the time I got back to the truck.
Also messed up a late archery deer hunt back on Dec 5th in the same area.
They should have to wait until seasons are over to do this hazing study. My opinion is that it’s a complete waste of time and money anyway. The cat they are attempting to haze is not leaving the area at all. We have it on camera every week.
The way I see it, today’s stunt just screwed me out of a opportunity to punch my tag.


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Heard they chased a cat near horseshoe yesterday. Was this incident neat there? Ya they shouldn't be interfering with legal hunts or tranquilizing cats while a season is open. Just amazes me more and more all the time how backwards things are done by those in charge.

How does this harassment program even get approved but a pursuit season goes no where? I was told they had 7 meetings to discuss the pursuit season. These people are being paid to sit down and figure it out. Guess what they figured out nothing?

Hound hunting and wildlife issues should not be in politics or be voted on by undeducated people. But when the people in charge want to take away opportunity and manage for predators it's a scary period we are being forced to live through I only hope some of those in charge realize how screwed up things are and they turn the other way.

Yes this was up horseshoe. I’ve been hunting that area for years for cats.


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