Steve rinellas blue mountains bull hunt

[TriggerMike]

Just wait for all the replies that he ruined the unit and ruined a tag opportunity and blah blah it was never a secret people

I guess I don't really understand the logic of this. Nothing is a secret. But there are still lots of people who don't know where to apply and don't know the first thing about certain units. Shoot I had a hunter try to turn me in for poaching for using a rifle in september when I posted a picture of me on the high buck hunt.  This is a guy who has been hunting 30 years in WA and had never heard of the high buck hunt.

Normal etiquette in the internet age is to avoid naming spots. Just because a hunt is hard to draw doesn't mean it can't get harder. This bump in applications was predicted and a bunch of people were quick to defend Rinella and said it wouldn't happen. It happened and now people are saying "well its because of season dates, etc..."

I don't really understand why people defend Rinella on this when he himself called it the greatest regret of his professional career. We don't have to keep dragging him but lets not pretend it was ok.

When did he say he regretted it? I'd like to hear it and the context if you can point me in the right direction.

[Odell]

Just wait for all the replies that he ruined the unit and ruined a tag opportunity and blah blah it was never a secret people

I guess I don't really understand the logic of this. Nothing is a secret. But there are still lots of people who don't know where to apply and don't know the first thing about certain units. Shoot I had a hunter try to turn me in for poaching for using a rifle in september when I posted a picture of me on the high buck hunt.  This is a guy who has been hunting 30 years in WA and had never heard of the high buck hunt.

Normal etiquette in the internet age is to avoid naming spots. Just because a hunt is hard to draw doesn't mean it can't get harder. This bump in applications was predicted and a bunch of people were quick to defend Rinella and said it wouldn't happen. It happened and now people are saying "well its because of season dates, etc..."

I don't really understand why people defend Rinella on this when he himself called it the greatest regret of his professional career. We don't have to keep dragging him but lets not pretend it was ok.

When did he say he regretted it? I'd like to hear it and the context if you can point me in the right direction.

It’s in one of the podcasts after the elk hunt. He directly addressed it, apologized and talked about how wrong it was, how bad he felt for the people who helped him with info, etc.

He also addressed the issue overall, how he understands the sensitivity of showing up on public land with a big film crew, he knows it bums people out, how media exposure hurts hunting areas and how hard they normally work to not give details because it negatively affects areas and the people who hunt there.

There was a lot of talk about it here if you do a search. I’ve got no idea which episode but it’s just a few weeks after the one where they talked about the hunt. But that one might have gotten taken down, not really sure.


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[Hoythunter]

I recall his apology.  If I ever met him, I’d shake his hand and say apology accepted.  Yes, I too apply for this unit.  He’s a stand up guy and does way more good for the hunting industry than bad.  I’ve been told he’s as sincere behind the camera as he is in front. 

[ctwiggs1]

You guys gotta remember to check your sources here.

@Odell has been a long time hater of Rinella.  Take what he says with a grain of salt 

Odell.... I feel like if I ever meet you in person, I should probably be the one buying beer/coffee for the trolling that's happened over the last year 

[Odell]

The long and short of it is that this whole fiasco changed the odds from say 2.5% to 0.4% odds with 15 points...or thereabouts. Odds are terrible, they were always terrible...but now they're 5x more terribuller.

Is that because of more applicants or less tags available?

one year increase after the episode:

64% increase in Archery applicants
145% increase in Muzzy applicants

Not sure if tags went down, but if they did that is even worse. Like I said earlier, just because it was a hard tag to draw doesn't mean this doesn't hurt. Those are massive increases.

[Odell]

You guys gotta remember to check your sources here.

@Odell has been a long time hater of Rinella.  Take what he says with a grain of salt 

Odell.... I feel like if I ever meet you in person, I should probably be the one buying beer/coffee for the trolling that's happened over the last year 

LOL I thought we did meet, or did I meet your brother?

I don't hate Rinella I actually like him mostly. I just don't let him turn me into a 14 year old at justin bieber concert.

[Odell]

I recall his apology.  If I ever met him, I’d shake his hand and say apology accepted.  Yes, I too apply for this unit.  He’s a stand up guy and does way more good for the hunting industry than bad.  I’ve been told he’s as sincere behind the camera as he is in front.

It was a good apology and I agree with you.

[ctwiggs1]

The long and short of it is that this whole fiasco changed the odds from say 2.5% to 0.4% odds with 15 points...or thereabouts. Odds are terrible, they were always terrible...but now they're 5x more terribuller.

Is that because of more applicants or less tags available?

one year increase after the episode:

64% increase in Archery applicants
145% increase in Muzzy applicants

Not sure if tags went down, but if they did that is even worse. Like I said earlier, just because it was a hard tag to draw doesn't mean this doesn't hurt. Those are massive increases.

WDFW already confirmed that those increases are due to climate change though.  Still no evidence that Rinella has done anything wrong.

[ctwiggs1]

You guys gotta remember to check your sources here.

@Odell has been a long time hater of Rinella.  Take what he says with a grain of salt 

Odell.... I feel like if I ever meet you in person, I should probably be the one buying beer/coffee for the trolling that's happened over the last year 

LOL I thought we did meet, or did I meet your brother?

I don't hate Rinella I actually like him mostly. I just don't let him turn me into a 14 year old at justin bieber concert.

I know my hunting partner met you under less fortunate circumstances toward the end of last summer.

[Hoythunter]

You guys gotta remember to check your sources here.

@Odell has been a long time hater of Rinella.  Take what he says with a grain of salt 

Odell.... I feel like if I ever meet you in person, I should probably be the one buying beer/coffee for the trolling that's happened over the last year 

LOL I thought we did meet, or did I meet your brother?

I don't hate Rinella I actually like him mostly. I just don't let him turn me into a 14 year old at justin bieber concert.

14 yr old at a JB concert... that made me chuckle.  I’ll have to use that someday. 

[pianoman9701]

I recall his apology.  If I ever met him, I’d shake his hand and say apology accepted.  Yes, I too apply for this unit.  He’s a stand up guy and does way more good for the hunting industry than bad.  I’ve been told he’s as sincere behind the camera as he is in front.

We lost a member to the Taliban about 5 years ago, I think. It was an event that shocked all of us. We were doing auctions to raise money for his family and I wrote to Steve to see if there was anything he could send. He immediately sent a nice package of stuff from his show with an autographed poster, hat, all kinds of stuff. I think the package he sent ended up raising a couple hundred bucks. He is a stand-up guy and as descent off as on-camera. 

[Odell]

You guys gotta remember to check your sources here.

@Odell has been a long time hater of Rinella.  Take what he says with a grain of salt 

Odell.... I feel like if I ever meet you in person, I should probably be the one buying beer/coffee for the trolling that's happened over the last year 

LOL I thought we did meet, or did I meet your brother?

I don't hate Rinella I actually like him mostly. I just don't let him turn me into a 14 year old at justin bieber concert.

I know my hunting partner met you under less fortunate circumstances toward the end of last summer.

Thats it. Did you guys go bear hunting this year?

[ctwiggs1]

Sent ya a PM so we can keep this on track.  Rinella is the man and anybody who says anything that can be in any way taken as offensive toward him is wrong. 

Oh, and climate change.

[Odell]

Sent ya a PM so we can keep this on track.  Rinella is the man and anybody who says anything that can be in any way taken as offensive toward him is wrong. 

Oh, and climate change.

You should get a poster of him and hang it in your bedroom. 

[Hoythunter]

Sent ya a PM so we can keep this on track.  Rinella is the man and anybody who says anything that can be in any way taken as offensive toward him is wrong. 

Oh, and climate change.

You should get a poster of him and hang it in your bedroom. 

The guy is on fire!!