What happened to pearrygin and okanogan deer hunting

[ghosthunter]

" we have found many wounded and dead 2 points, probably more than 20 over the last 10 years alone, some with arrows stuck in them and some with bullet holes, doesn't matter, they were dead deer in the end that should not have been. "

Like i said, a "3 up" rule would likely solve the bulk of that crap.  You dont think people are shooting forkies thinking, or even just hoping, that theyll have an inch long browtine?  3 pt minimum but browtines dont count i think would be the way to go.

We don’t like to think it. But I think there is a lot of pulling the trigger on anthers brow tines or not.
I saw five illegally deer heads in a agents truck. Four of them were not even close to having three points and no brow tines. One was a spike.  That was how many he picked up in a couple days. The 5 th one was three point shot on private land from across a Hwy.
So ya hunters might be a big part of the problem. But those deer would have been tagged without a point restriction. I know a guy who killed a 2 pt. Called it in got a $150.00 ticket and went on to kill a 3 point. Not right either.

[hunter399]

It's been awhile since I posted ,yet I lurk almost daily just like reading posts ect.

Certain gmu's need 4pt min whitetail or muley.

Certain gmu's need no doe permits,second deer permits.

no mule deer doe in the state should be harvested.

Bring back youth,disabled,65 over ,doe tags. Whitetail.

No doe tag for bow hunters,muzzy hunters unless ,youth,disabled,65 over.

Chose which side of the state You hunt deer on .
Or set blacktail seasons same as east side of state.

Multiseason not valid for norteast Washington.

With all this said .
I'm sure most would disagree on multiple options I posted.
We want to keep sustainable populations,with opportunities
For youth,disabled,65 over.Which is the future of hunting.
There has been a huge increase in people all over the state coming to NE Washington to hunt.I don't have a problem with .But sustainable populations must happen.

Any deer permits should be gone state wide.Your permit should say whitetail,mule deer,or blacktail,to keep a controll on what does are being harvested.And there should never be any doe permits for NE Washington.only youth,disabled,65 over ,is enough doe harvest to keep numbers in check.

I think WDFW uses NE Washington as a cash cow ,which is fine.But biologist,ect.don't have a clue as to what's going on.
Run the cash cow , But need more restrictions to keep populations where they need to be .

And yes predators are having a huge effect.Which is out of hunters control some what.so some simple restrictions could put less pressure on deer and elk.
I do a lot of walking behind gates ,closed road areas,ect.And I will see more tracks,animals,deer and elk in the first mile or two then let's say five miles back ,no tracks , no deer.
Deer and elk have moved down to more rural areas staying closer to people then I have ever seen.THERE IS A REASON.
It's always been the farther back you get the better hunting,Well the game has changed now it's total opposite.

I still believe NE Washington could be a great place to hunt ,maybe the best in the state .But if we don't get restrictions we need .It will become a $hi# hole that has already started.

I do think winter kill off is greater now then years ago, deer have so much pressure from all sides that there just killing off every winter .

[SCRUBS]

One of the frustrations has been that they haven't seemed to recognize the problem.   If you read Fitkins annual fall article, you'd have thought hunting in the Methow Valley was gangbusters and the herd was up to snuff.   I didn't catch this years version .....    I figured it was part of the wolf campaign 

I`m not sure if it is they don`t recognize it, or are they just ignoring it but, either way something should be done.

[boneaddict]

BINGO!!!

[MtnMuley]

There's a lot of factors leading to where we are at these days. They've all been hashed out on here many times. While winters, fires, and predators play huge roles, one of the most important factor often gets overlooked by some. Mismanagement. WDFW has relied on one individual for many of the management strategies in the area and he's done beyond a terrible job.

In the earlier years, WDFW was an agency who's main focus was managing the health of our states fish and wildlife. These days it's all about making money, while true fish and wildlife management gets the cold shoulder. I see no light at the end the tunnel until the swamp is completely drained and we bring back common sense management strategies which focus primarily on what's best for OUR fish and wildlife, not the state's pockets.

[buckfvr]

I do not agree 65 and over and disabled are the future.........youth, yes.  No doe permits period until herds rebound.  Youth, any buck.  The only acknowledgement wdfw made in regards to herd health was the suspension of doe hunts in n. e. wa. 

Restrictions should only follow failed genuine serious attempts to control predators, starting with changing their status from big game animals to predators, and then being hunted aggressively as such.

Im now 65 and never in my life has anyone gave a rats ass if I was ever able to kill a deer......I dont want a doe and I dont want a baby buck and neither does any of the guys I hunt with.  We all demand the 4pt minimum back, and are continueing to fight for it.  Youth any buck is the only concession to consider for me. 

I just cant get totally on board with voluntary concessions (no multi season, every other year, etc.) when we should be demanding predator control and other options that dont take away hunting opportunity.  By that I mean we still get to hunt, but what we hunt can be limited to 4pt or better for whitetail, no does, etc., we get to hunt but succes may be more difficult until we see the returns of limiting ourselves and making a valiant effort to control ALL predators.

These are just my thoughts and are not intended to do anything other than provide another perspective.  It is by no means an effort to affront any other hunters or user groups, just ideas like everyone elses.  R

[ghosthunter]

The last time they had a youth any buck in the Okanagan 80% or more of the deer were shot by the adults not the youth. One game agent told me he and a partner would separate adult and kid and the kid would rat out dad every time.

They told me they wrote 43 tickets for adults shooting youth deer just in two areas.. Youth any buck is a joke.

If you want that have youth draw only ,separate season, easier to police.

[buckfvr]

The last time they had a youth any buck in the Okanagan 80% or more of the deer were shot by the adults not the youth. One game agent told me he and a partner would separate adult and kid and the kid would rat out dad every time.

They told me they wrote 43 tickets for adults shooting youth deer just in two areas.. Youth any buck is a joke.

If you want that have youth draw only ,separate season, easier to police.

    100% agree

[boneaddict]

THere doesnt need to be special youth.  I'm sure I'll ruffle feathers but......they can learn to hunt like the rest of us did.   I'd also pull the senior hunts because the herd needs to be managed. 

[ghosthunter]

Really if we want to make a case for the most important user group. I would say women.

A women in the field is 10 times better for hunting or shooting sports than a man.
They are better at networking with others.
More vocal about the issues they care about.
And in many relationships they call the shots. Even as far as saying if kids get to hunt or husbands.

Bringing a women into hunting goes a long way in preserving the shooting sports.
I would support a first deer women season.

[ghosthunter]

THere doesnt need to be special youth.  I'm sure I'll ruffle feathers but......they can learn to hunt like the rest of us did.   I'd also pull the senior hunts because the herd needs to be managed.

 

[Skyvalhunter]

The question is will there be any change? Will WDFW continue to carry seasons, permits over from last year? Will the biologists really look at the situation and make recommendations or just put out false information?

[boneaddict]

Mtn Muley pretty much answered that....  not,until,the swamp is drained and that one guy in charge steps down.

[bigmacc]

Mtn Muley pretty much answered that....  not,until,the swamp is drained and that one guy in charge steps down.

Absolutely.

[huntnphool]

There's a lot of factors leading to where we are at these days. They've all been hashed out on here many times. While winters, fires, and predators play huge roles, one of the most important factor often gets overlooked by some. Mismanagement. WDFW has relied on one individual for many of the management strategies in the area and he's done beyond a terrible job.

In the earlier years, WDFW was an agency who's main focus was managing the health of our states fish and wildlife. These days it's all about making money, while true fish and wildlife management gets the cold shoulder. I see no light at the end the tunnel until the swamp is completely drained and we bring back common sense management strategies which focus primarily on what's best for OUR fish and wildlife, not the state's pockets.

 Amen!