Who Needs A Rifle For Self Defense?

[konradcountry]

I've heard this many times from the anti-gun left. "You don't need a military-style weapon to defend your home." Really? Who made you the boss of me and my rights? So, whether it's you or Bob F., you don't get to tell me what's right or what's overkill for my own defense decisions.

You want to talk about the anti-gun left? Guys like the one in the video are part of the problem. He has all these gun owners thinking they should be doing over analysis of some suburban stalking terrorist group when this is the real problem:

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Ban_on_Assault_Weapons_Initiative_(2020)

I'm sick of this mall ninja tactical training crap. The bogeyman is not in your backyard.

The bogeyman is indeed real and he writes bills.

[10thmountainarcher]

If these types of acts are happening anywhere relevant to where I live, I am not going to consider limiting myself to a far less superior choice of weaponry.

I asked where in Eastern Wa this gunfight would occur.

Yakima county is not the norm and most of their "gun crimes" involve Hispanic gangs.

And referencing a police shootout and a domestic dispute in Yakima doesn't change the extreme unlikelihood of this random suburban break-in shootout anywhere in Washington.

This is no different than refusing to fly because you remember a plane crash from two years ago. It's not a rational concern.

A handgun is all you need. But I'm very pro-2A so if you want to sleep in body armor and answer the door with an AK then go ahead.

Occupied residential burglaries do occur, apparently more often then you think. Sure not all end up in a gunfight, but I don’t prepare for the best case scenarios. Yea a handgun can be sufficient, but I for sure would rather have my rifle. I’d also much rather clear rooms with that rifle then my pistol. To each their own I suppose.

[Cab]

I've heard this many times from the anti-gun left. "You don't need a military-style weapon to defend your home." Really? Who made you the boss of me and my rights? So, whether it's you or Bob F., you don't get to tell me what's right or what's overkill for my own defense decisions.

You want to talk about the anti-gun left? Guys like the one in the video are part of the problem. He has all these gun owners thinking they should be doing over analysis of some suburban stalking terrorist group when this is the real problem:

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Ban_on_Assault_Weapons_Initiative_(2020)

I'm sick of this mall ninja tactical training crap. The bogeyman is not in your backyard.

The bogeyman is indeed real and he writes bills.

He mostly trains LEO, FBI and Swat and has for over 30+ years on close range gun fighting(those cop shootings are at very close range similar to your home), other people wanted to learn from him what he teaches, why is that a bad thing? Why is learning and practicing fundamentals mean your a tactical mall ninja? Clint Smith is far from a tactical mall ninja, his EDC is a 1911, he never wears anything tactical and is about keeping things simple. You don't have to listen to him but I wouldn't dismiss him or label him "the problem".

[Platensek-po]

Not really trying to thread jack but I have a question for those of you with multiple guns around the house. Do you have kids? How do you balance accessibility to your firearms and keeping them safe from munchkins?? I spend a lot of time talking to my kids about firearm safety and what to do if they find one but I have a hard time balancing keeping loaded weapons in my house and having them accessible while also keeping them safe from my kids. Right now my pistol is mostly to buy time until I get to my long guns. Just curious how others deal with that.

I'll refer you to the thread about 1639

Cool I’ll check it out

[DOUBLELUNG]

Not really trying to thread jack but I have a question for those of you with multiple guns around the house. Do you have kids? How do you balance accessibility to your firearms and keeping them safe from munchkins?? I spend a lot of time talking to my kids about firearm safety and what to do if they find one but I have a hard time balancing keeping loaded weapons in my house and having them accessible while also keeping them safe from my kids. Right now my pistol is mostly to buy time until I get to my long guns. Just curious how others deal with that.

It's all a question of weighing risks.  When I had no kids, I had access to loaded long guns in multiple locations.  When my son was born, I bought a safe and put everything in it except for a 1911 on a high bedroom shelf with a loaded magazine and an empty chamber.  When he was 4 or 5 that went into the safe too.  After he'd passed firearm safety and been shooting multiple times, and was very clear about firearm safety, that 45 came back out - and I was worried despite all my efforts and faith in his level headedness.  When he was a teen with suicidal tendencies all the guns went away in the safe.  Now that he's on his own with a career and doing great, I have my EDC with me and that's it.

The first rule of gunfighting is have a gun.  Where I live, in a dense subdivision and a town with low violent crime, I'm comfortable with that.  Is it bulletproof? No, but nothing is.  I'd have a different plan under different circumstances, but I'm comfortable in my situation having "a" gun. 

[Cougartail]

I've heard this many times from the anti-gun left. "You don't need a military-style weapon to defend your home." Really? Who made you the boss of me and my rights? So, whether it's you or Bob F., you don't get to tell me what's right or what's overkill for my own defense decisions.

You want to talk about the anti-gun left? Guys like the one in the video are part of the problem. He has all these gun owners thinking they should be doing over analysis of some suburban stalking terrorist group when this is the real problem:

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Ban_on_Assault_Weapons_Initiative_(2020)

I'm sick of this mall ninja tactical training crap. The bogeyman is not in your backyard.

The bogeyman is indeed real and he writes bills.

Funny.. You were the one talking about taking the "SAW" and going out to see who was banging around in the back yard. I'd just call the police.. 

As for training.. Lack thereof is irresponsible and will get you killed. People with real life experiences realize the fundamentals that you call "ninja tactical training" are what keep you alive. Without the fundamentals your pistol and light are worthless.

Also.. People who aren't trained are rarely able to actually shoot someone without hesitation which gets themselves killed as they are unsure of their ability and outcomes. (You miss, you die or are thrown in jail.)

Until you have to point a gun at someone you won't understand.

[metlhead]

I do not feel under gunned at home while checking out bumps and noises, with my .45 handgun. But from personal experience, more bang is comforting. A few "home" invasions have been thwarted becsuse of more bullets. Man I sure do miss that 240B.

[fowl smacker]

I've heard this many times from the anti-gun left. "You don't need a military-style weapon to defend your home." Really? Who made you the boss of me and my rights? So, whether it's you or Bob F., you don't get to tell me what's right or what's overkill for my own defense decisions.

You want to talk about the anti-gun left? Guys like the one in the video are part of the problem. He has all these gun owners thinking they should be doing over analysis of some suburban stalking terrorist group when this is the real problem:

https://ballotpedia.org/Oregon_Ban_on_Assault_Weapons_Initiative_(2020)

I'm sick of this mall ninja tactical training crap. The bogeyman is not in your backyard.

The bogeyman is indeed real and he writes bills.

First off, what is a bogeyman?  I've never had to draw my concealed weapon or grab a gun after hearing something go bump in the night.  However, I do try to shoot a couple times a week, I practice clearing my garments to get to my pistol.  I pray I never have to put all my practice to action in a real life self defense scenario, but I will be ready if I ever need to.  Just last year an armed criminal was shot early in the morning at a Flying K that I sometimes stop at on my way to work.  I could have been in there that day.  You can call whoever you want the BOOGEYMAN but they are out there and if I happen to run into him, I'm going to be armed and ready (preferably with my shotgun or rifle), but my pistol will hopefully do in a pinch.  Voting gun hating Liberals out of office will certainly help your average law abiding citizen.

[mtn muley madness]

This sounds like liberals trying to tell Republicans they are wrong simply for having a different point of view on something as they do...........round and round we go......To each his/her own. It's America!

[magnanimous_j]

I think the ideal home defense gun depends completely on where you live. I guess if you live on a ranch or something, then a rifle might make sense. Personally, I live in a condo with really tight hallways. For me, even a short barrel shotgun is cumbersome. A shockwave would do the trick, but in those tight spaces, one miss could be the difference between life and death. Also, most people don't put any thought into how disorienting a gunshot in a house would be, even for the shooter.

I've been thinking about this a lot and I think the best option for me is a hi-capacity 9mm auto pistol. I'm thinking a CZ p-10, with a red dot, a suppressor and a flashlight on the bottom rail. 17 rounds on tap, in the heaviest load that cycles reliably. Easy to maneuver, red dot makes low light target finding easy, 9mm for easy Mozambique drills, can use the flashlight to blind intruders (not to mention actually seeing what you are shooting) and the suppressor won't blow out everyone's eardrums.

[konradcountry]

Funny.. You were the one talking about taking the "SAW" and going out to see who was banging around in the back yard. I'd just call the police.. 

Was sarcasm.

As for training.. Lack thereof is irresponsible and will get you killed. People with real life experiences realize the fundamentals that you call "ninja tactical training" are what keep you alive. Without the fundamentals your pistol and light are worthless.

I don't need a commando school to learn how to operate a pistol and light. 

The guy is running a commando school and advocating rifle training for home defense when AR-15s could be illegal in Oregon within a year. Total lack of awareness as to who the threat is.

We don't need any more tacti-dudes making youtube videos about the Miami shooting or advanced tactics when dealing with suburban terrorist squads.

But nevermind let's return to training for million to 1 scenarios when it is 1:1 that libs want to ban AR-15s in Washington and Oregon. The country has a real problem with identifying enemies within.

[Alchase]

Last I read this was a discussion thread about “Who needs a rifle for self defense” not the politics in Oregon and what they want to ban.
If you feel comfortable using your pistol for every scenario, more power to you.
But please do not belittle others who go the extra mile to prepare for all scenarios.
You come a crossed as miss informed.
Many here have extensive military and or police background or extensive training. Some just want to provide the safest environment by Giving themselves multiple options if things go south.
I will say this, in my time as a CQB instructor, many moons ago, our handgun was a means to fight until you could get  back to your rifle.
If able I will always pick my AR over a handgun. But, I will always have a backup handgun and shotgun nearby as well for those times I can’t get to my rifle.

[Cougartail]

"I don't need a commando school to learn how to operate a pistol and light."

You are right. "You need to go to commando school to learn how to operate a pistol and light while someone is trying to kill you."

Totally different but there is no convincing someone like you until it happens.. Hope you never have to defend yourself and good luck if you do. (You'll need it!)

[huntnphool]

I've been thinking about this a lot and I think the best option for me is a hi-capacity 9mm auto pistol. I'm thinking a CZ p-10, with a red dot, a suppressor and a flashlight on the bottom rail. 17 rounds on tap

 This is pure gold...and dripping with hypocrisy!

[fishngamereaper]

Just get a cz scoprion Evo 3 pistol...best of both worlds.