Glock 20 doesn’t feel right

[Tracker0721]

I decided to get a better bear gun this year than the 9mm I was using so I stepped from my S&W mp 2.0 to a Glock g20 10mm. Sadly sold the 9 to buy the 10 and after going all season with my Glock and firing hundreds of rounds at the range I can confidently say I don’t like how it holds. It’s not comfortable, still doesn’t point naturally for me, and I just feel like my hand doesn’t get enough grip on her. And I wear a large glove so it’s not a small hands thing. Is there any way to modify the grip or is there a better 10mm? Heard shaving the finger grooves off and taking a bit away from the trigger guard can help.

Or should I go back to a revolver? I really loved my gp100 but it was a long barrel and more competition than self defense in size. We’ve got more then a couple Grizzlies in areas I’m hunting and the wolves, black bear, and lions are thick too. Considering going 44 in a revolver maybe. I dunno. Just making next year Idaho plans and am thinking about things I’d like to improve for next season.

[Dan-o]

That's a bummer.
I LOVE my G20. 

Personally, I think a 10mm semi beats a 44 revolver for bear defense, but more experienced folks than me fall on both sides of that debate.

If it was me, and I had Grizzly concerns, I'd find a 10MM I liked.

Best of luck!

[MHWASH]

I tried a 20 and a 29. Even a Witness. Swore off the 10mm until the XD came out. This one feels great and shoots great too.

[wadu1]

My  , go with SIG better grip angle and less felt recoil.

[Bango skank]

I thought i wanted a g20.  Handled one and really wanted to like it, but it just didnt feel right in my hand.  If it doesnt fit you, you wont shoot it well.  I carry a s&w 627 pc, .357 with an 8 round cylinder.  .357 is very similar, maybe has a slight edge on 10mm, and i figure if 8 shots doesnt save my ass in a bad situation, im screwed anyway.  Carry what fits and works for you.

[zwickeyman]

I personally shoot the XD better than I did my G20 and G40

[TheStovePipeKid]

Personally I would avoid altering a pistol that you've already stated isn't really your thing. Glocks fit well for me and point naturally but I still don't own one. There are so many other options to try. If a revolver feels good to you, go with it. As was pointed out, if you can't shoot what you carry you're setup for failure. As the old saying goes, you only get attacked by a grizzly once so don't ruin it. Or something like that. Let us know what you decide it might help someone in the same boat.

[bornhunter]

Smith 629 4 inch. Daily carry for me.

[RockChuck]

What gen G20? I think gen 4 has the swappable grip backstraps, I have a gen 3 and it fits  my hand much better then a 4 (not sure what backstraps were on it from the shelf)
I do think the XD feels good in hand also..

[cohocrazy]

I had a G20 and had the same exact issue you are describing. I sold it and bought the Springfield XDM 10mm. It's grip is more natural in my hand and I'm more accurate with it. Also, you can shoot whatever bullets you choose without buying an aftermarket barrel.

[MADMAX]

Love mine I put the hogue slideon grip on and a set of trujiis
If you dont like it
sell it, should go quick

[Alchase]

The grip "angle" is inherent to all Glocks.
Some like it, some don't mind it, some hate it. It is the single biggest cause to the Glock limp wrist" issue causing "stovepipes". Glock makes great reliable weapons, but the wrist angle just does not work for many people.

[MADMAX]

If I didnt have the G20 -Id be all over this

https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,244832.0.html

[300rum]

Yes, modifying the grip will help some.  Send it somewhere to be sanded down and put some skate tape on it.  Dryfire will help the most.

[huntandjeep]

Only logical choice is sell the Glock and buy a 10mm 1911 Longslide 

[Piscatory_5]

Was this a gen3 or4? Or an SF version?

[RockChuck]

Was this a gen3 or4? Or an SF version?

Ahh yes that’s right mine is gen 3 SF and feels a lot different then the others I’ve held..

[Yondering]

What gen G20? I think gen 4 has the swappable grip backstraps, I have a gen 3 and it fits  my hand much better then a 4 (not sure what backstraps were on it from the shelf)
I do think the XD feels good in hand also..

Gen 3 SF is the same grip size/shape as gen 4 without backstraps. You shouldn't notice much difference between them except grip texture. Adding the medium backstrap on a gen 4 is about the same grip as a gen 2 and pre-SF gen 3.

From the OP's description, I'm guessing he bought a non-SF gen 3 because they're pretty cheap, because nobody wants that frame; they are too big for most people. Most people who buy those older large frames end up complaining about the feel of them and not getting enough grip, just like the OP.

[NoBark]

If it's bear defense only, I don't think you'll be worried about how it feels in your hand.  Your gonna be wondering if fired 6 shots or 14.    Can your draw it really quick and how many shots can you get off in that instance.  I'd love a Rock Island 10mm but my budget says a Glock 20.

[Yondering]

The grip "angle" is inherent to all Glocks.
Some like it, some don't mind it, some hate it. It is the single biggest cause to the Glock limp wrist" issue causing "stovepipes". Glock makes great reliable weapons, but the wrist angle just does not work for many people.

Nope. The grip angle is not the cause of limp wristing. Glocks show issues with limp wristing more often because they are not as lightly sprung as many other pistols. Easy to change that with aftermarket springs if you're prone to limp wristing, but for those who aren't, it's a good thing when shooting full power or +P loads.

If anything, the steeper grip angle on Glocks helps control recoil better.

The whole grip angle argument is a bunch of hogwash. There is no "natural grip angle", only what each individual is used to, primarily because that's what you've practiced with. It's just as easy for a Glock grip to feel natural as anything else, if you've put in the practice. With very few exceptions, the complaints about grip angle come from people who've become used to something else and haven't spent the time or practice to become comfortable with a Glock. Heck, people even got used to a Luger grip angle years ago.

[Tracker0721]

Yeah I put thousands of rounds through my MP and just got used to that. I shot a lot with my gp100 too and still shoot some single shot revolvers hence why I’m considering going back to a revolver. I had wanted the new gen 4 but got a deal on mine. Believe it’s the gen 3 which makes sense if that’s an undesirable frame. Maybe I’ll go try a gen 4 and see how I like that.

I’ve never had a misfire or hang up with this gun so far and can draw and get a shot off from my Kenai holster pretty quick but I suppose I might just need to do more drills. If it is a thing I can just retrain my hand to be comfortable with.


Oh and ammo from LAX ammunition has so far been flawless and is cheap. 250 rounds for like $70. It’s reloads and a bit lower power but good for training I feel. Bet the power is similar to shooting 40 through the gun.

[Platensek-po]

Yeah I also order from LAX and have never had an issue with their reloaded ammo.

[10mmg]

slip on rubber grip really made for better shooting on my g20

[jackelope]

Handguns seem to be like boots and bows. You can take one pistol and it will be comfortable and fit well to 8 out of 10 people. The other 2 need to go with a different gun to get the correct fit.

[KFhunter]

You should go to that shooting place out on trent and run a sig p220


I run a g20 currently but Ive had better fits, a pistol should fit and feel great, when I got mine there wasnt a lot of options in 10mm, but it fits good enough.


Have you shot a lot if 1911 frames?


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[Tracker0721]

I win biggest idiot. It’s a Gen 4 I got second hand for a really good deal. I put those talon grips I believe it was on it right away. Never checked the back strap or really the box of stuff I got with it. Just pulled the talon grip off the back, removed the back strap and put the medium on that was in the box along with the third mag and other stuff. So much better. I feel so dumb. It’s been since spring that I’ve had this and never thought about the back strap. Literally just kept it in my kenai and packed it. I’m dumb. New goal for the year, get familiar with this gun. It’s still not as comfortable as those mp 2.0s but it feels like a new gun without the large strap on.

[RockChuck]

Lol! I have held the gen 4 with the straps and feels like a brick but my gen 3 sf feels completely different and better

[Alchase]

The grip "angle" is inherent to all Glocks.
Some like it, some don't mind it, some hate it. It is the single biggest cause to the Glock limp wrist" issue causing "stovepipes". Glock makes great reliable weapons, but the wrist angle just does not work for many people.

Nope. The grip angle is not the cause of limp wristing. Glocks show issues with limp wristing more often because they are not as lightly sprung as many other pistols. Easy to change that with aftermarket springs if you're prone to limp wristing, but for those who aren't, it's a good thing when shooting full power or +P loads.

If anything, the steeper grip angle on Glocks helps control recoil better.

The whole grip angle argument is a bunch of hogwash. There is no "natural grip angle", only what each individual is used to, primarily because that's what you've practiced with. It's just as easy for a Glock grip to feel natural as anything else, if you've put in the practice. With very few exceptions, the complaints about grip angle come from people who've become used to something else and haven't spent the time or practice to become comfortable with a Glock. Heck, people even got used to a Luger grip angle years ago.

The thousands of ex Glock owners and many pistol experts would disagree.
The term “Glock limp wrist” is a fairly common term. The are also known for light springs.

[fowl smacker]

The grip "angle" is inherent to all Glocks.
Some like it, some don't mind it, some hate it. It is the single biggest cause to the Glock limp wrist" issue causing "stovepipes". Glock makes great reliable weapons, but the wrist angle just does not work for many people.

Nope. The grip angle is not the cause of limp wristing. Glocks show issues with limp wristing more often because they are not as lightly sprung as many other pistols. Easy to change that with aftermarket springs if you're prone to limp wristing, but for those who aren't, it's a good thing when shooting full power or +P loads.

If anything, the steeper grip angle on Glocks helps control recoil better.

The whole grip angle argument is a bunch of hogwash. There is no "natural grip angle", only what each individual is used to, primarily because that's what you've practiced with. It's just as easy for a Glock grip to feel natural as anything else, if you've put in the practice. With very few exceptions, the complaints about grip angle come from people who've become used to something else and haven't spent the time or practice to become comfortable with a Glock. Heck, people even got used to a Luger grip angle years ago.

The thousands of ex Glock owners and many pistol experts would disagree.
The term “Glock limp wrist” is a fairly common term. The are also known for light springs.

I just figured anyone who shoots a glock has a "limp wrist".
Kidding....I do hate Glocks though. 

[Alchase]

I hav had a few Glocks, I think they are great handguns, it really boils down to just personal preference. The three degree difference in the rake can make a huge difference in comfort for some people.

[KFhunter]

Limp wristing is an excuse for a poorly running gun, glocks are notorious for mag springs not being strong enough, everyone should get new mag springs after 2 years, replace the stock mag springs with +10 % heavy duty springs, also run the right recoil spring.  Mine will now run 40 s&w (with barrel  xchnge) through 220 uw ammo

For test purposes I alternated ammo in the same mag stuffing 180gr double tap, 200gr underwood and 220 gr underwood all in the same mag and tried to cause a misfire, limp wrist rapid fire gangsta firing and couldnt get it to ftf.

As it should be, dont let anyone tell you your limp wristing, I let the gun move

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[konradcountry]

Limp wristing is an excuse for a poorly running gun, glocks are notorious for mag springs not being strong enough, everyone should get new mag springs after 2 years, replace the stock mag springs with +10 % heavy duty springs, also run the right recoil spring.

Notorious? I've never heard of this nor have I ever replaced my mag springs. If this was really an issue then we would hear about it from police departments.

[konradcountry]

It’s not comfortable, still doesn’t point naturally for me, and I just feel like my hand doesn’t get enough grip on her. And I wear a large glove so it’s not a small hands thing.

It's probably your hand shape and not size. I would go hold a rock island 10mm in the store and see what you think. 

Glock 20/29s maintain their value so you can probably get close to breaking even if you sell it.

I just think it is a bad idea to own a gun you don't like shooting. 

Considering going 44 in a revolver maybe. I dunno. Just making next year Idaho plans and am thinking about things I’d like to improve for next season.

I'd rent a 44 first. It's a significant jump in weight from a polymer if you are covering a lot of miles.

[KFhunter]

Limp wristing is an excuse for a poorly running gun, glocks are notorious for mag springs not being strong enough, everyone should get new mag springs after 2 years, replace the stock mag springs with +10 % heavy duty springs, also run the right recoil spring.

Notorious? I've never heard of this nor have I ever replaced my mag springs. If this was really an issue then we would hear about it from police departments.

That's what a glock trained armorer told me, who works for a nationwide law enforcement agency 

My G20 wouldn't run, so he lent me some +10% mag springs he had laying around and voila!   It runs perfect now, so I bought my own and gave his back for the next guy to try with a poorly running glock. 


I am not a glock armorer, if you are I'll defer to you...if you aren't, I'm going to defer to my guy who I know is. 


Plus I also rest my mag springs now between hunts.  This isn't an EDC but a dedicated woods gun, so resting the mag springs is easy I just unload the mags between hunts every so often. 

[headshot5]

You might consider getting a smith and wesson 69 5-shot 44 mag.   They come with a 4.25" barrel.  Roughly the same size as a GP-100.  I love mine. 

Or you could try an Springfield XD-10.  It might feel better.

[konradcountry]

Limp wristing is an excuse for a poorly running gun, glocks are notorious for mag springs not being strong enough, everyone should get new mag springs after 2 years, replace the stock mag springs with +10 % heavy duty springs, also run the right recoil spring.

Notorious? I've never heard of this nor have I ever replaced my mag springs. If this was really an issue then we would hear about it from police departments.

That's what a glock trained armorer told me, who works for a nationwide law enforcement agency 

My G20 wouldn't run, so he lent me some +10% mag springs he had laying around and voila!   It runs perfect now, so I bought my own and gave his back for the next guy to try with a poorly running glock. 

That just sounds like worn out springs which can happen to any magazine.

[Cougartail]

Or you could try an Springfield XD-10.  It might feel better.

I held the Glock 10mm and the Springfield XDM 10mm the other day. I definitely liked the Springfield's grip better. Not so blocky.

[KFhunter]

Yup - I wasn't talking about recoil springs.   Leaving the mags loaded in the glocks I need new springs in about 2 years then start getting feed issues.   

HK has been fully loaded for 10 years or so and are just now seeing weak mag springs

Sig - haven't seen it happen yet

Baretta wasn't an issue with mag springs, kept loosing rolled pins but mag springs never an issue

[Yondering]

The grip "angle" is inherent to all Glocks.
Some like it, some don't mind it, some hate it. It is the single biggest cause to the Glock limp wrist" issue causing "stovepipes". Glock makes great reliable weapons, but the wrist angle just does not work for many people.

Nope. The grip angle is not the cause of limp wristing. Glocks show issues with limp wristing more often because they are not as lightly sprung as many other pistols. Easy to change that with aftermarket springs if you're prone to limp wristing, but for those who aren't, it's a good thing when shooting full power or +P loads.

If anything, the steeper grip angle on Glocks helps control recoil better.

The whole grip angle argument is a bunch of hogwash. There is no "natural grip angle", only what each individual is used to, primarily because that's what you've practiced with. It's just as easy for a Glock grip to feel natural as anything else, if you've put in the practice. With very few exceptions, the complaints about grip angle come from people who've become used to something else and haven't spent the time or practice to become comfortable with a Glock. Heck, people even got used to a Luger grip angle years ago.

The thousands of ex Glock owners and many pistol experts would disagree.
The term “Glock limp wrist” is a fairly common term. The are also known for light springs.

Thousands of people are frequently wrong about things they know very little about.
Glocks typically have a little heavier recoil spring than most other brands, along with heavier slides. Both of those things tame hotter loads better, but they also make them more prone to limp wristing.

The only application where the Glock recoil springs are too light is for full power 10mm, which are definitely NOT known for limp wristing. No other 10mm pistol is adequately sprung for full power from the factory either though.

You are welcome to disagree, but I'm not guessing or basing this on common opinion (which is frequently wrong).

[Yondering]

I win biggest idiot. It’s a Gen 4 I got second hand for a really good deal. I put those talon grips I believe it was on it right away. Never checked the back strap or really the box of stuff I got with it. Just pulled the talon grip off the back, removed the back strap and put the medium on that was in the box along with the third mag and other stuff. So much better. I feel so dumb. It’s been since spring that I’ve had this and never thought about the back strap. Literally just kept it in my kenai and packed it. I’m dumb. New goal for the year, get familiar with this gun. It’s still not as comfortable as those mp 2.0s but it feels like a new gun without the large strap on.

If back strap size is an issue, just leave the back strap off of that gen 4, you don't need to use one. There should be a shorter pin with the backstrap kit as well for using the gun without any.

[HntnFsh]

I don't know anything about them but Bobs has the Remington® 1911 R1 10mm Hunter going on sale for $799.

[dmoua]

Really wanted to like the G20 when I was shopping for a 10mm. Held it multiple times and it just never felt right. I went with the XDM and don’t regret it one bit.