Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?

[msg]

I agree, very well written. What bothers me is the very solid people that have been discredited over the years. The " you did not see what you saw and don' talk about it" That may fit the "other cases" To me, a truck with a canopy on a dark winter night is not what I would call an elaborate scheme. JMO

[kentrek]

Because there is no obvious explanation then it must be a government conspiracy...good way as any to think I guess

Maybe the wolves went looking for a new area, walked for a couple days (200 miles) in one direction then decide to stop and set up camp  and then also managed to make a few puppies over the next 20 years

[jackelope]

I think we need to throw a lot of these preconceived notions out the window, or at least take a good hard look at everything we've been taught about wolves our whole lives, and now take for granted. 

Can you be more specific?

If we could all get past this one I'd be happy. 
"wolves only target the sick and wounded thereby strengthening the herds health"

OK. I thought that was an old one that we've all disproved at this point.

[RB]

I think we need to throw a lot of these preconceived notions out the window, or at least take a good hard look at everything we've been taught about wolves our whole lives, and now take for granted. 

Can you be more specific?

If we could all get past this one I'd be happy. 
"wolves only target the sick and wounded thereby strengthening the herds health"

 
1000 times this!! The average person still believes this because that is what the wolf lovers and media portray!

Look how good it was for the Yellowstone ecosystem all those plants came back after the wolf was introduced, but that was because they killed most of the Elk, but thats ok cause now tourist can see wolves instead of Elk.

[KFhunter]

Well it still says that on wolf lover sites

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[KFhunter]

How about:

"Wolves will make you a better hunter"

We've all heard that one right here on HW

What makes people better hunters is interacting with the game species your hunting, taking away animals so people have less interaction is like trying to train a bird dog, but not giving it any birds to learn from

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[KFhunter]

Or how about:

"wolves aren't going to have an impact on hunter opportunity"


 

[KFhunter]

Or how about

"only one pair of alpha wolves breed"


another gooder 

[Bango skank]

I also like "they only kill as much as they will eat"

[KFhunter]

Or how about the whole concept of this "alpha" thing, as if there's one wolf and his mate that has fought to be the big dog and all others must bow down. 

It's just a family group folks, they're only dominate by virtue of being the parents and the younger offspring haven't made full sexual maturity,  when they do they'll run off and find a mate of their own. 

There's no special wolf ranking system, there's no "alphas"  no "betas"   just family groups consisting of the breeding pair and offspring of varying maturity levels. 

[10thmountainarcher]

Or how about the whole concept of this "alpha" thing, as if there's one wolf and his mate that has fought to be the big dog and all others must bow down. 

It's just a family group folks, they're only dominate by virtue of being the parents and the younger offspring haven't made full sexual maturity,  when they do they'll run off and find a mate of their own. 

There's no special wolf ranking system, there's no "alphas"  no "betas"   just family groups consisting of the breeding pair and offspring of varying maturity levels.

Most the tracks I ran into in 111/117 this year were loan wolf tracks doing just that. Scary to think what the population will do when they find a mate and create a new pack.

[kentrek]

Or how about the whole concept of this "alpha" thing, as if there's one wolf and his mate that has fought to be the big dog and all others must bow down. 

It's just a family group folks, they're only dominate by virtue of being the parents and the younger offspring haven't made full sexual maturity,  when they do they'll run off and find a mate of their own. 

There's no special wolf ranking system, there's no "alphas"  no "betas"   just family groups consisting of the breeding pair and offspring of varying maturity levels.

Are you a biologist that spends a career on wolves ??

[KFhunter]

I'm flattered that you'd ask that 


but no.   I just happen to live where it all started and got to observe it all over a long period of time.  I read, I learn, and I go out and observe with my own eyes. 


Much of what we know of pack behaviour was from a swedish researcher who observed a pack of wolves in a zoo like way back in the 40's, much of what he brought to main stream thinking is wrong, but disney picked it up and its ingrained into pop culture.  What wolves do in a zoo isn't what they do in the wild.  Even real wolf bio's are frustrated at this Disney thing because it just stuck. 

but it works very good for the politicians and even better for those who make a ton of money off donations by ill informed people trying to 'save a wolf'

[jackelope]

Buried in the archives (2009-2011) of the Hunt-Wa site in a cardboard box there where some photos of government vehicles in North east Washington during the winter with culvert traps in tow behind them. Numerous members during that time held the position that as long as the folks in Eastern Washington had them it was fine. Just don't let them get into their elk hunting areas. While this will be dismissed as tin foil hats. It is documented that wolves were transplanted from Ontario to the USA in Minnesota. So would it be that far out of line to think the governing body who transplanted them to Minnesota maybe also hauled a few to other areas of the US to help with the introduction?  Perhaps on of the more senior Mods can look for the box.

Who posted them? I can probably find them.

[kentrek]

I'm flattered that you'd ask that 


but no.   I just happen to live where it all started and got to observe it all over a long period of time.  I read, I learn, and I go out and observe with my own eyes. 


Much of what we know of pack behaviour was from a swedish researcher who observed a pack of wolves in a zoo like way back in the 40's, much of what he brought to main stream thinking is wrong, but disney picked it up and its ingrained into pop culture.  What wolves do in a zoo isn't what they do in the wild.  Even real wolf bio's are frustrated at this Disney thing because it just stuck. 

but it works very good for the politicians and even better for those who make a ton of money off donations by ill informed people trying to 'save a wolf'

Seems like when I get in on a wolf pack it's pretty obvious there is an alpha type structure...I dont know anything other then what ive experienced 1st hand