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Were wolves imported to Washington in secret?  

Yes  - I think wolves were dumped in WA
160 (68.7%)
No   - They arrived here naturally
73 (31.3%)

Total Members Voted: 233

Voting closed: January 23, 2020, 01:12:43 PM

Author Topic: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?  (Read 40897 times)

Offline trophyhunt

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #15 on: December 24, 2019, 02:46:42 PM »
If I was to put money on it, I’d say yes, they were planted!  People need to kill these predators and not think of it as poaching!! 
“In common with”..... not so much!!

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #16 on: December 24, 2019, 02:51:17 PM »
Yes.!!!
This state is cooked

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #17 on: December 24, 2019, 02:56:12 PM »
Thanks.

It will be an interesting poll.
I'm also interested in what people think.

(and you'll need some responses to keep it from slipping into oblivion)

MY OPINION:   Wolves were not transplanted here......  because I simply don't think the gov't is smart enough to do it secretly.

Thanks, I'm just looking for a snapshot of opinions as it sits right now.  Not looking for a compelling debate that might change votes one way or the other,  so I didn't make the poll visible either just in case someone might have a tendency to follow the popular opinion.

Will the final tally be visible?? I am interested in seeing the results as well.
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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #18 on: December 24, 2019, 02:58:20 PM »
If I was to put money on it, I’d say yes, they were planted!  People need to kill these predators and not think of it as poaching!!

Well you got that part right anyway

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #19 on: December 24, 2019, 03:00:01 PM »
I must say that there is a BIG difference between a wink and a nod from 1-2 employees and the some concerted effort/ program by the department to do it on the sly. Perhaps 3 choices would be better but this one will give you a snapshot.
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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2019, 03:16:47 PM »
I definitely believe they knew who was moving them. Maybe not the agency as a whole, but there are individuals that knew about the whole program

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #21 on: December 24, 2019, 03:25:10 PM »
What makes you think that?? What information is it based off of? Or is it just feels? I’m curious as to why people think the WDFW had anything to do with it.
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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #22 on: December 24, 2019, 03:29:01 PM »
The wolves only had to walk across the Canadian border. No reason to think they needed any help to get into Washington.

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #23 on: December 24, 2019, 03:30:18 PM »
I won't make ya'll wait too long then I'll open up the results to those that have voted,  or I can now if people keep the results under their hats?






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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2019, 03:34:56 PM »
The wolves only had to walk across the Canadian border. No reason to think they needed any help to get into Washington.
So here is the rub. If they were so inclined to come from just across the border, why did the migrate from the Eastern border in a westerly fashion? Especially since they could have done so down the cascades so easily?

The whole thing stinks which is why I'll bet there are a lot of people who belive the department or feds had a hand in it.


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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #25 on: December 24, 2019, 03:48:12 PM »
I dont think your poll covers it all. It should not be one or the other it should also have both of the above.
In the eighty's I would watch them play in Medicine Valley. Some on here will know where that is. In the nineties I hunted quite a bit in B.C.. On the North side of this man made line we could shoot them with the proper tags. On the South side of this man made line if you shot one it was a Federal Offense. They the wolves did not know that line existed.
So yes they were here. However, when they started to appear with necklaces on them they had to of had some help fastening the clasps.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2019, 03:49:09 PM »
I won't make ya'll wait too long then I'll open up the results to those that have voted,  or I can now if people keep the results under their hats?

Cool thanks!! I don’t care to see anything but the final results.
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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #27 on: December 24, 2019, 03:50:08 PM »
Is there anything other than gut feelings to suggest they were planted? I have a hard time believing something like this could remain a secret, especially with how closely the wolf population is monitored in the states. Moving an "endangered" species across international borders seems equally unlikely to me.

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #28 on: December 24, 2019, 04:03:16 PM »
How can anyone think our state officials or federal government arent capable of such deception ??????  Good grief.  And I suppose you guys dont believe troubled bears from ynp or god knows where else, didnt wind up in Wa. and no future plans to move grizz or anything else exists as future projects for those with special agendas whom also decieve us.......

Did our state not allow people from other states including children have a voice in whether or not we want wolves?????   The entire wolf debacle is a complete scam/scham that was rammed right down our throats to our balls and you guys (some of you) cant call a spade a spade......wtfu.

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Re: Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?
« Reply #29 on: December 24, 2019, 04:18:51 PM »
Any evidence at all buckfvr?? Any??? Other than feelings? You honestly think they can cover that up?? Not one whistle blower or retired WDFW member has said anything about it. They have been talking openly about reestabliahing grizz in the cascades. Why haven’t these groups planted wolves in every state in the west? Again the president can’t even hide a phone call but the state can hide the transportation of an endangered species?? If you have ANY even somewhat credible evidence please present it. Otherwise I think people are just upset about the wolves being back and want to blame someone desperately for that. I do agree that they have butchered wolf management but I have yet to see or hear anything about how a coverup this big could be possible or how it was covered up.
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