Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?

[fishngamereaper]

I'm curious those that are defending wdfw. How long have you lived in the state...

Have wolves naturally moved into Washington..yes documented 20-30 years ago... disputed by wdfw.

Has the state had a part in bringing wolves to Washington. Absolutely. 

And before you ask I don't have to and I won't out my sources on a public forum.  I don't need to prove I know what I know...

[Ironhead]

Didn't these same people plant lynx hair in hair traps around the state? What makes you think they wouldn't plant a Wolf?

[Platensek-po]

I'm curious those that are defending wdfw. How long have you lived in the state...

Have wolves naturally moved into Washington..yes documented 20-30 years ago... disputed by wdfw.

Has the state had a part in bringing wolves to Washington. Absolutely. 

And before you ask I don't have to and I won't out my sources on a public forum.  I don't need to prove I know what I know...

I’ve lived in Washington most of my life. I’m not defending him WDFW if anything I am saying they are too incompetent to pull what you are saying. You are the one making them out to be masterminds of deception. By the way saying you won’t post proof is the same as not having any.

[buckfvr]

Any evidence at all buckfvr?? Any??? Other than feelings? You honestly think they can cover that up?? Not one whistle blower or retired WDFW member has said anything about it. They have been talking openly about reestabliahing grizz in the cascades. Why haven’t these groups planted wolves in every state in the west? Again the president can’t even hide a phone call but the state can hide the transportation of an endangered species?? If you have ANY even somewhat credible evidence please present it. Otherwise I think people are just upset about the wolves being back and want to blame someone desperately for that. I do agree that they have butchered wolf management but I have yet to see or hear anything about how a coverup this big could be possible or how it was covered up.

Theres been enough evidence over the years to suggest complicity by different agencies.  The older you get, the more you hear, the wiser you become.  Its a complicated issue shrouded in dishonesty at every turn.

[hunter399]

Looking into these wolf groups,gun groups,ect and how crazy they are to push there cause.I wouldn't put it past them.But I can also remember as a kid (25 years) ago being told by old timers that there wild dogs in those hills any dog you see shoot them while deer hunting.But those old timers never said wolf just wild dogs.I've also have met people who have owned wolf dogs .  Even at the very least if they did show up naturally.I do believe they been here a lot longer than WDFW will say and only had to cough it up when livestock problems came up along with sightings.That's the reason behind the explosion of wolf populations.

[fishngamereaper]

I'm curious those that are defending wdfw. How long have you lived in the state...

Have wolves naturally moved into Washington..yes documented 20-30 years ago... disputed by wdfw.

Has the state had a part in bringing wolves to Washington. Absolutely. 

And before you ask I don't have to and I won't out my sources on a public forum.  I don't need to prove I know what I know...

I’ve lived in Washington most of my life. I’m not defending him WDFW if anything I am saying they are too incompetent to pull what you are saying. You are the one making them out to be masterminds of deception. By the way saying you won’t post proof is the same as not having any.

Ok buddy...your right..you feel better now.

It's not just wdfw..open your mind up a little.

And not saying I won't post proof has nothing to do with what I know. This is a hunting / personal opinion forum.  I don't owe you or anyone else the knowledge I have. Regardless of what I or anyone else post's their knowledge, opinion, speculation etc will be attacked by those that think they know better. Some people don't like to be wrong...

Happy holidays to you ..I'm out, it's Christmas Eve.

[MtnMuley]

I can't say that I believe WDFW directly planted wolves, but I am definately in belief that wolves were brought into WA in the last 15 years. Obviously some come down from Canada and Idaho. They have for many of years before the internet days. Within a fairly short period we have as many "actual" packs (not what WDFW defines as a pack or breeding pair)  but what's truly out there, and that's all natural? I'll never believe it.

Contrary to the beliefs of some on here, it's not rocket science to leg hold trap wolves in concentrated areas and sedate them with readily available drugs (to many people) and cage and move them to wherever one wants. It's seriously not that difficult for the right people. To think CN isn't capable of this or wouldn't support this kind of action is laughable.

My overall view on the subject: Not all the wolves in WA came in on their own.

[Platensek-po]

Could you provide some of that evidence?? Otherwise it sounds like everyone believes what they heard from a cousins girlfriends kid brother. Also to the guy who has proof and is withholding it to protect his sources. You do realize the only thing you are protecting is the WDFW right? I mean you have solid sources and info on a huge environmental coverup but no one will come out and expose it??? Either it’s false or they are morally bankrupt. So far we are three pages in and no one has been able to provide anything. I’m seriously open to the idea that WDFW managed the populations the way they did on purpose to expand wolf populations and other protect them. But shipping them in and installing wolf packs in secret??? Seems pretty far fetched

[hunter399]

Here's a artical that they had a clue they where here as far back as 1991.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ph9zAhvl0J0C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=wolves+%22transplant%22+to+washington+state&source=bl&ots=yHALwl-idl&sig=ACfU3U3L6-dyzspDL2Bnxjeagi0Cwh15nQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidh_LP0M_mAhXOCTQIHYxSBq0Q6AEwD3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=wolves%20%22transplant%22%20to%20washington%20state&f=false

[Platensek-po]

I'm curious those that are defending wdfw. How long have you lived in the state...

Have wolves naturally moved into Washington..yes documented 20-30 years ago... disputed by wdfw.

Has the state had a part in bringing wolves to Washington. Absolutely. 

And before you ask I don't have to and I won't out my sources on a public forum.  I don't need to prove I know what I know...

I’ve lived in Washington most of my life. I’m not defending him WDFW if anything I am saying they are too incompetent to pull what you are saying. You are the one making them out to be masterminds of deception. By the way saying you won’t post proof is the same as not having any.

Ok buddy...your right..you feel better now.

It's not just wdfw..open your mind up a little.

And not saying I won't post proof has nothing to do with what I know. This is a hunting / personal opinion forum.  I don't owe you or anyone else the knowledge I have. Regardless of what I or anyone else post's their knowledge, opinion, speculation etc will be attacked by those that think they know better. Some people don't like to be wrong...

Happy holidays to you ..I'm out, it's Christmas Eve.

I honestly don’t feel better and if you or anyone you know has proof and can expose this then please please do! But saying I have proof but I won’t share or expose anything seems either fake or it’s just morally wrong. Why you would want to protect the people you said did this makes no sense. Opinion and speculation is all that’s been posted so far. That said I also hope you and your family have a wonderful Christmas. Same to all on this site!!!

[JimmyHoffa]

The wolf crusader types might be able to pull something very small scale off, but I just don't think any government agency (state or fed) could do something like that and keep the secret.  Maybe a wolfer in WDFW works with the groups in a non-official sense, but need to see something really definitive to believe any part of the government is competent enough to pull off such an action and keep it covered up.   

[RB]

The wolves only had to walk across the Canadian border. No reason to think they needed any help to get into Washington.

 

[KFhunter]

Here's a artical that they had a clue they where here as far back as 1991.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ph9zAhvl0J0C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=wolves+%22transplant%22+to+washington+state&source=bl&ots=yHALwl-idl&sig=ACfU3U3L6-dyzspDL2Bnxjeagi0Cwh15nQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidh_LP0M_mAhXOCTQIHYxSBq0Q6AEwD3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=wolves%20%22transplant%22%20to%20washington%20state&f=false

Right around that time, maybe a couple years earlier I was a wild kid running around all over the mountians, getting shot at for running through pot grows a few times, I worked for several ranches and chased range cows all over, property lines didnt matter it was range cattle.....anyways;

I came across a pen full of wolves, heard em howling. They got released not long after and everyone was saying shoot em if ya can.

I dont know if they established. Nor would I say WDFW was complicit, it was in an area the government wasn't invited.

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[jrebel]

The wolves only had to walk across the Canadian border. No reason to think they needed any help to get into Washington.

 

Same could be said for the Grizzly Bears but the state still wants to introduce them into our ecosystem.   I have no doubt some wolves have migrated across the border....but breading pears popping up in the last 10 years didn't happen from a mass migration.  If that were the case....why were they not as prevalent 20 years ago? 

 

[KFhunter]

20 years ago when we had double, triple or more deer

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