Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?

[jrebel]

20 years ago when we had double, triple or more deer

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Funny how there is a correlation

[Curly]

Here's a artical that they had a clue they where here as far back as 1991.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ph9zAhvl0J0C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=wolves+%22transplant%22+to+washington+state&source=bl&ots=yHALwl-idl&sig=ACfU3U3L6-dyzspDL2Bnxjeagi0Cwh15nQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidh_LP0M_mAhXOCTQIHYxSBq0Q6AEwD3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=wolves%20%22transplant%22%20to%20washington%20state&f=false

The spring of 1991 was the year I saw wolves up around Lake Wenatchee.  There were signs up there warning people about wolves.  If I remember right, the signs were from wdfw.

[Platensek-po]

The wolves only had to walk across the Canadian border. No reason to think they needed any help to get into Washington.

 

Same could be said for the Grizzly Bears but the state still wants to introduce them into our ecosystem.   I have no doubt some wolves have migrated across the border....but breading pears popping up in the last 10 years didn't happen from a mass migration.  If that were the case....why were they not as prevalent 20 years ago?

I’m not sure and those are good questions. But it’s also possible that WDFW just didn’t care as much about wolves then as it has for the last 10-15yrs. So maybe here were breading pairs in WA and we just didn’t know or didn’t care as much. Maybe something else happened to cause them to start coming down more. (Less game in BC or population growth causing more wolves to leave looking to expand. Not saying that any of those are the reason just throwing out ideas. Also let’s remember that correlation is not causation.

[Platensek-po]

Here's a artical that they had a clue they where here as far back as 1991.

https://books.google.com/books?id=Ph9zAhvl0J0C&pg=PA36&lpg=PA36&dq=wolves+%22transplant%22+to+washington+state&source=bl&ots=yHALwl-idl&sig=ACfU3U3L6-dyzspDL2Bnxjeagi0Cwh15nQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwidh_LP0M_mAhXOCTQIHYxSBq0Q6AEwD3oECAgQAQ#v=onepage&q=wolves%20%22transplant%22%20to%20washington%20state&f=false

The spring of 1991 was the year I saw wolves up around Lake Wenatchee.  There were signs up there warning people about wolves.  If I remember right, the signs were from wdfw.

According to that text they had discover 2 breeding pairs in the North cascades national park and were going to form the committees to manage them. (or mismanage depending on how you want to look at it) Thats 30 years of WDFW managing for population growth of that species. Does that mean they planted those breeding pairs there? I highly doubt it considering it included 5 federal and state agencies. No one leaked any info on that transplant? So if deer populations were high and wolf population numbers were high in BC wouldn't it make sense they would start to move down here 30 years ago? Again I DONT KNOW.  Unless someone posts some kind of evidence suggesting the planting of wolves or the knowledge thereof by WDFW its going to be hard to believe they did it without just going off of random peoples assertions on a public forum.

[JimmyHoffa]

20 years ago when we had double, triple or more deer

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Funny how there is a correlation

The Greater Yellowstone area had something like 5x the population of elk before introduction.  I think after the herd started dropping, the wolf packs were moving out to areas with elk.  Which is why they moved to certain parts of Idaho and Montana.  I think the timing correlation tends to be about when the elk herds were dropping in Idaho that the wolf packs started moving more towards Washington (the time frame about 20 years ago). 

[MtnMuley]

Could you provide some of that evidence?? Otherwise it sounds like everyone believes what they heard from a cousins girlfriends kid brother. Also to the guy who has proof and is withholding it to protect his sources. You do realize the only thing you are protecting is the WDFW right? I mean you have solid sources and info on a huge environmental coverup but no one will come out and expose it??? Either it’s false or they are morally bankrupt. So far we are three pages in and no one has been able to provide anything. I’m seriously open to the idea that WDFW managed the populations the way they did on purpose to expand wolf populations and other protect them. But shipping them in and installing wolf packs in secret??? Seems pretty far fetched

Are you referring to me? Or the comment above mine?

[Cougartail]

So the argument is, if wolves naturally dispersed to washington, then why didnt they disperse to colorado?

Flip side of the coin:  if greenie whackos or government spooks were releasing them here years ago, why havent they released them in colorado?

Heavy logging in Southern BC and Alberta along with other human activities pushed them south and north. Trapping and hunting of wolves is much more limited in the southern Canadian regions compared to 40 years ago.

[Curly]

Wolves probably were never completely absent from Washington.  The numbers started increasing enough to notice 30 years ago. Those wolves were migrating down from BC.  Then after wolves were released in Yellowstone in 1995, those wolves started showing up in WA too a short time later.  It sucks. Blame the United states Congress for the release and spread of wolves.


https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/upload/wolfrep95-96.pdf

[JimmyHoffa]

So the argument is, if wolves naturally dispersed to washington, then why didnt they disperse to colorado?

Flip side of the coin:  if greenie whackos or government spooks were releasing them here years ago, why havent they released them in colorado?

Heavy logging in Southern BC and Alberta along with other human activities pushed them south and north. Trapping and hunting of wolves is much more limited in the southern Canadian regions compared to 40 years ago.

Makes sense.  All about the same time logging fell here (the spotted owl shutdowns/Northwest Forest Plan/Japanese economy slowdown) and when the logging shifted to BC.

[MtnMuley]

Wolves probably were never completely absent from Washington.  The numbers started increasing enough to notice 30 years ago. Those wolves were migrating down from BC.  Then after wolves were released in Yellowstone in 1995, those wolves started showing up in WA too a short time later.  It sucks. Blame the United states Congress for the release and spread of wolves.


https://www.nps.gov/yell/learn/nature/upload/wolfrep95-96.pdf

You're exactly right, and I totally agree. Personally, I believe they had "help" getting to the numbers we have now. 

[KFhunter]

Two different subspecies, native Washington wolves were closer genetically to native wolves found in Minnesota

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[wolfbait]

In Washington, Feds Opt For Wolf Introduction Over Recovery

https://www.skinnymoose.com/bbb/2010/06/08/in-washington-feds-opt-for-wolf-introduction-over-recovery/

WDFW were doing the wolf/grizzly push in the 80’s and 90’s, but then all the funds went to the illegal wolf introduction into WY, MT and Idaho, the three hardest states to push wolves on once the truth was known about what wolves really do. Now with WDFW’s help wolves have infested WA, and once agin they want to introduce the grizzlies. Look at the Wolf plan WDFW gave us etc. and then tell me agin how honest they have been…



 At some point WDFW will be exposed publicly for releasing wolves in WA, but they will never be held accountable.

[hughjorgan]

The wolves only had to walk across the Canadian border. No reason to think they needed any help to get into Washington.

 

Same could be said for the grizzly bear, right? But we aren’t seeing grizzly bears showing up in places they haven’t been seen in decades.

I wouldn’t doubt that some organization is helping them repopulate areas.

Why is there poor calf recruitment in the Yakima elk herd? Something causing them more stress? Like a new apex predator?

[Dan-o]

The wolves only had to walk across the Canadian border. No reason to think they needed any help to get into Washington.

 

Same could be said for the grizzly bear, right? But we aren’t seeing grizzly bears showing up in places they haven’t been seen in decades.

I wouldn’t doubt that some organization is helping them repopulate areas.

Why is there poor calf recruitment in the Yakima elk herd? Something causing them more stress? Like a new apex predator?

There are hundreds of trail cams watching Yakima elk.... but no wolf pics coming out of there...?

[wolfbait]

The USFWS Wolf Releases