Were wolves imported into Washington on the downlow?

[Pinetar]

There are certainly Wolves in the Manastash and Taneum so hard to believe they haven't made it to the Yakima units.

[greenhead_killer]

I hear ya dan-o. The whole thing stinks to me. I’ve got 20 years experience in the tw and we never heard or saw them, but true wa wolves were already there. They knew to stay out and away from people. With the whole wolf (miracle boom) I started getting them yearly on three different cams. Big collared boogers. I’ve also gotten what I’m assuming is the wolf lady on two of the handful of cams I have in there. Awful lot of money they’ve been pumping into the program over the years. To the guy pounding on everyone about it all being hearsay, I can only speak from experience as well. No way this small group of bandits moving them are going to let it slip out. If/when it does get exposed, it’s gonna be nasty. Maybe a Trump tweet will get the admin to look into the corruption of our f n g

[jackelope]

I had cameras in the Blues foothills. Used to post lots of photos on the forum here. I got thousands of photos, never a wolf. In 2013 a friend killed a bull there that he watched get run out of the timber by a group of 3(if I remember correctly) wolves. This was less than a mile from 2 of my cameras.  I don’t think they’re easy to get on cameras.

[Skyvalhunter]

It depends on your camera bait.

[Dan-o]

I had cameras in the Blues foothills. Used to post lots of photos on the forum here. I got thousands of photos, never a wolf. In 2013 a friend killed a bull there that he watched get run out of the timber by a group of 3(if I remember correctly) wolves. This was less than a mile from 2 of my cameras.  I don’t think they’re easy to get on cameras.

Hey Josh,

Any theories on why you think they are hard to get on trail cam?

[pianoman9701]

I have three reasons why I don't think they were released in WA. First, everyone's got a camera and video recorder in their pocket and we have neither photo or video evidence of any wolf releases or Bigfoot. Secondly, the dispersal of wolves around the state has been spreading out from NE WA, where they entered from ID or Canada. You can see the dispersal expanding from there over the last 20 years. Lastly, if they were released by a private organization(s), where did they get the wolves and how did they transport them without being detected? Wolf sanctuaries are strictly monitored for not only the individual wolves they contain, but the security of the fencing, among other things (feeding, sanitation, etc.). To suggest that wolves from these sanctuaries have been released, it would mean a conspiracy between the organizations and the state government. To me, that's tinfoil hat stuff. And again, no photo evidence of any of these releases.

[kentrek]

If you've actually been around wolves it wouldn't  surprise you that they could spread on there own...our state is not that big...wolves have long leggs...its impressive to watch them cover ground...they could start in idaho and run to the ocean and back in probably a weeks time

With that said I have seen zero...absolutely zero wolf evidence around st Helens..there are hundreds of camera traps targeting predators up there

We will know when they show up...no idea why they haven't since they are just a hop skip away..will be interesting when they do

[pianoman9701]

I saw a wolf close up in the Coweeman unit probably 5 years ago. Maybe 10 yards.

[boneaddict]

So, to all of you guys that think this is from just "spreading".....where were all the wolves from 1950- 2010 and what caused the population explosion we have today. 

I saw my first Washington wolf pack in about 82.  Male, female and pups

There was a wolfpack in Libby Creek almost two decades before they finally admitted it.  Todd and I know they knew about it because we were in the same conference room where they told us to keep our mouths shut about it and to deny it if asked. THey were actually trying to teach us that....let that sink in.     If you think they closed Alta for deer hunting and coyote hunting for several years because of deer management, you should go back to your cubicle. 


Wolves have been here since the dawn of time, why now the problem?

and remind me again when they discovered our first wolfpack?

[boneaddict]

and by the way.....I don't have a ticket stub for that meeting.  I may still have a pay stub........ I didnt have a photo taken with me shaking the hands with any directors, and there is probably no public record of it......   so I'm not sure what proof you might need.    If I was doing something sneaky, I probably would keep the photo ops on the downlow, and if I was going to do something that was a federal crime, I might keep the documentation limited.    You guys that want proof are pretty funny.   and its kind of a mute point now isnt it? 

They're here!  and in numbers you aren't going to do anything about EVEN IF you hunted them 24/7/365.   

The only thing that is going to limit them is the lack of food.   Just like coyotes!

and what do you think that means to your hunting?   CHECK

and if there is no need for hunting, why do you need  guns?  Checkmate

[h20hunter]

Prior to the politicization of the woof I have to wonder if the natural occuring spread was controlled or all but stifled by localized sss?

[msg]

I believe that wolves know that trail cams are there. Bears do, so why would not wolves? One of my hunting partners and his son put out cameras every year in the Stella unit. Lots of bear pics and lots of bears walk right up to the cameras and screw with them. St.Helens does have a lot of roads and trails, not nearly as much in the east side over to Mt.Adams. The talk about introducing wolves to the Olympic Peninsula and Mudflow I believe I read on this site somewhere. These were the two areas furthest from the population centers and pavement pounders.

[Sitka_Blacktail]

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Hmmmmm This Richard M Mitchell Ph. D. ??

https://www.gao.gov/assets/110/104327.pdf

[bearpaw]

So, to all of you guys that think this is from just "spreading".....where were all the wolves from 1950- 2010 and what caused the population explosion we have today. 

I saw my first Washington wolf pack in about 82.  Male, female and pups

There was a wolfpack in Libby Creek almost two decades before they finally admitted it.  Todd and I know they knew about it because we were in the same conference room where they told us to keep our mouths shut about it and to deny it if asked. THey were actually trying to teach us that....let that sink in.     If you think they closed Alta for deer hunting and coyote hunting for several years because of deer management, you should go back to your cubicle. 


Wolves have been here since the dawn of time, why now the problem?

and remind me again when they discovered our first wolfpack?

I was at the WDFW meeting years ago when the game commission passed the rule to stop coyote hunting in parts of the Okanogan to protect the wolves that the Dept testified were in those areas. So make no mistake, WDFW knew there were wolves long before the claimed first "Lookout Pack" was widely publicized.

[pianoman9701]

So, to all of you guys that think this is from just "spreading".....where were all the wolves from 1950- 2010 and what caused the population explosion we have today. 

I saw my first Washington wolf pack in about 82.  Male, female and pups

There was a wolfpack in Libby Creek almost two decades before they finally admitted it.  Todd and I know they knew about it because we were in the same conference room where they told us to keep our mouths shut about it and to deny it if asked. THey were actually trying to teach us that....let that sink in.     If you think they closed Alta for deer hunting and coyote hunting for several years because of deer management, you should go back to your cubicle. 


Wolves have been here since the dawn of time, why now the problem?

and remind me again when they discovered our first wolfpack?

We know wolves were released in the GYA in 1995, so I'm not sure I understand your disbelief that they spread into the northwest. As far as the WDFW actually acknowledging packs later than they were present, they still do that.