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Idaho already got my money this year, and Wyoming too most likely. As for Washington, I'm really torn on just buying bear, cougar and small game + fresh water fish. Or if I want it all to crash and burn and not buy a thing!
I bought a bear tag but didn’t go out because I didn’t want to drive all the way to Montesano if I got one. I guess in hind site I should have gone and just reported no harvest even if I got one. I also bought a duck license but haven’t been out yet. 2019 is the first year since the 1980s that I haven’t hunted/fished in Washington. By contrast this year I’ve hunted/fished/hiked/camped in Idaho Montana Wyoming North Dakota and Minnesota. Probably never will again since I’m working on moving this winter/spring
I read the regs & it says you have to bring a tooth to a wdfw office to submit it. I wrote in asking about that and never heard back.
Ya, there's some changes now you gotta bring em a pelt + evidence of sex + that tooth. but you don't have to bring it to a main office, you can call and arrange something easier and meet up with a "designated official" or a WDFW officer themselves. What I'm going to clarify before this spring or next fall if I don't draw is do they gotta have the WHOLE pelt? I don't think so! So how much pelt is enough? Can I bring them half a nutsack with a small patch of pelt and a tooth? I think so, but I want to check first.
Quote from: follow maggie on December 29, 2019, 11:36:50 AMI read the regs & it says you have to bring a tooth to a wdfw office to submit it. I wrote in asking about that and never heard back.Wrong. You have to submit a tooth, but not in person. Just call your regional office and ask them to send a tooth envelope to you in the mail. The envelope is postage paid. You just fill out the info on the envelope, put the tooth in, and stick it in your mail box.But now, new rule for 2020, spring bears will have to be checked in. Hide and skull. But not necessarily at a regional office, you can meet a game warden at a gas station parking lot or wherever you can talk one in to meeting you, and have the hide sealed, tooth pulled. Same program with lions.
Thanks yes you're correct, I modified my post. I wonder if the pelt requirement is to check if people accidentally shot a grizzly? The tooth pouch is kinda anonymous, doesn't get sent in or tracked enough for a conviction ya? But if a gamie met you for a pelt sealing requirement, and someone was dumb enough to have a skinned out spring grizzz
I wish they would have answered me because I want a bear bad. Going to be trying for one in Idaho this spring.
Quote from: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 11:48:18 AMThanks yes you're correct, I modified my post. I wonder if the pelt requirement is to check if people accidentally shot a grizzly? The tooth pouch is kinda anonymous, doesn't get sent in or tracked enough for a conviction ya? But if a gamie met you for a pelt sealing requirement, and someone was dumb enough to have a skinned out spring grizzz The tooth envelopes have your info on them, theyre not anonymous. At least if you fill them out. They know who you are. And whats the point of submitting a tooth if you dont put your info on it?
Guys, this is (part of) the problem. There are so many rules that it is impossible to know them all! It is a mess of Bureaucracy. Quote from: Bango skank on December 29, 2019, 11:40:32 AMQuote from: follow maggie on December 29, 2019, 11:36:50 AMI read the regs & it says you have to bring a tooth to a wdfw office to submit it. I wrote in asking about that and never heard back.Wrong. You have to submit a tooth, but not in person. Just call your regional office and ask them to send a tooth envelope to you in the mail. The envelope is postage paid. You just fill out the info on the envelope, put the tooth in, and stick it in your mail box.But now, new rule for 2020, spring bears will have to be checked in. Hide and skull. But not necessarily at a regional office, you can meet a game warden at a gas station parking lot or wherever you can talk one in to meeting you, and have the hide sealed, tooth pulled. Same program with lions.
Quote from: follow maggie on December 29, 2019, 11:43:22 AMI wish they would have answered me because I want a bear bad. Going to be trying for one in Idaho this spring.in idaho all bears do have to get checked in, hide sealed. If thats something you wanted to avoid hassling with, i suggest making a shorter drive and hunting bears in the northeast corner in august.
Quote from: Bango skank on December 29, 2019, 11:51:59 AMQuote from: follow maggie on December 29, 2019, 11:43:22 AMI wish they would have answered me because I want a bear bad. Going to be trying for one in Idaho this spring.in idaho all bears do have to get checked in, hide sealed. If thats something you wanted to avoid hassling with, i suggest making a shorter drive and hunting bears in the northeast corner in august.It wasn’t avoiding the submittal I was after. The top of 5e reg page says you have to submit a tooth & that envelopes are available at regional offices, so I took that to mean I have to go to a regional office to do it. I was not wanting to waste a day of my life driving to Montesano and back to do it. I imagine Idaho has a better process.
Thanks yes you're correct, I modified my post. I wonder if the pelt requirement is to check if people accidentally shot a grizzly? The tooth pouch is kinda anonymous, either doesn't get sent in or tracked enough in house for a conviction ya? But if a gamie met you for a pelt sealing requirement, and someone was dumb enough to have a skinned out spring grizzz
Quote from: KFhunter on December 29, 2019, 11:48:18 AMThanks yes you're correct, I modified my post. I wonder if the pelt requirement is to check if people accidentally shot a grizzly? The tooth pouch is kinda anonymous, either doesn't get sent in or tracked enough in house for a conviction ya? But if a gamie met you for a pelt sealing requirement, and someone was dumb enough to have a skinned out spring grizzz The pelt/sex/tooth requirement is because they say we arnt reporting enough of our harvests, and in 3 units we killed to many female bears.I think this will deter people from hunting them. And that this is the first step in doing so state wide.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Could have just made it that your next license would not be sold to you unless you have reported, submitted your tooth, whatever, rather than create a massive hassle for everyone. Not really sure what they were thinking... And how do they know there were too many females harvested in some units when they dont even know how many bears there are to begin with?
So was the tooth submission deadline December 1st?
Quote from: Alan K on December 30, 2019, 07:12:19 AMCould have just made it that your next license would not be sold to you unless you have reported, submitted your tooth, whatever, rather than create a massive hassle for everyone. Not really sure what they were thinking... And how do they know there were too many females harvested in some units when they dont even know how many bears there are to begin with?Its a percentage. They want under a certain percentage of harvest to be female. So all they have to go off is submitted reports. Problem is, if only a fraction of people are reporting, the percentage theyre getting could be wrong. More completed reports = more accurate count of male / female ratio.And as for the not selling you a license if you dont report, never gonna happen. They want that money.
Quote from: Bango skank on December 30, 2019, 07:16:28 AMQuote from: Alan K on December 30, 2019, 07:12:19 AMCould have just made it that your next license would not be sold to you unless you have reported, submitted your tooth, whatever, rather than create a massive hassle for everyone. Not really sure what they were thinking... And how do they know there were too many females harvested in some units when they dont even know how many bears there are to begin with?Its a percentage. They want under a certain percentage of harvest to be female. So all they have to go off is submitted reports. Problem is, if only a fraction of people are reporting, the percentage theyre getting could be wrong. More completed reports = more accurate count of male / female ratio.And as for the not selling you a license if you dont report, never gonna happen. They want that money.In one of the other threads about bears I posted the relevant section in the 2017-19 status and trends report. 30% reporting/sample size, less than 40% female are the main sticking points.I make the assumption that this will discourage bear hunting with the mandatory reporting. There are folks that are saying they are hanging up thier gear or wont comply. I dont think I'm that far off base but we will know when the number come back.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using Tapatalk
Quote from: Special T on December 30, 2019, 07:49:49 AMQuote from: Bango skank on December 30, 2019, 07:16:28 AMQuote from: Alan K on December 30, 2019, 07:12:19 AMCould have just made it that your next license would not be sold to you unless you have reported, submitted your tooth, whatever, rather than create a massive hassle for everyone. Not really sure what they were thinking... And how do they know there were too many females harvested in some units when they dont even know how many bears there are to begin with?Its a percentage. They want under a certain percentage of harvest to be female. So all they have to go off is submitted reports. Problem is, if only a fraction of people are reporting, the percentage theyre getting could be wrong. More completed reports = more accurate count of male / female ratio.And as for the not selling you a license if you dont report, never gonna happen. They want that money.In one of the other threads about bears I posted the relevant section in the 2017-19 status and trends report. 30% reporting/sample size, less than 40% female are the main sticking points.I make the assumption that this will discourage bear hunting with the mandatory reporting. There are folks that are saying they are hanging up thier gear or wont comply. I dont think I'm that far off base but we will know when the number come back.Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G930A using TapatalkOnce again, the new check and hid sealing requirements are for the spring hunt only. No additional burden on fall bear reporting.
In contrast with 300rum I bought a lot of licenses , tags and permit apps again this year and I still consider it a good use of my money. I didn't draw anything but I got to go deer hunting, elk hunting, grouse hunting, clam digging and crabbing. All within a couple of hours from home. I bought a bear tag in case I had trouble in the orchard and a small game and trapping license in case the coons and bobcats get after the chickens this winter. I've been a hunter and fisherman in this state for over 40 years and I get that things aren't as good as they once were but I still have a lot of fun outdoors and I'm happy to pay for the privilege. I also hunted Montana this year so I understand taking advantage of our of state opportunities as well.
OP, this is my second year with no money to the WDFW. Feels good doesn't it?
Much like many others I am fed up with the mismanagement of wildlife by WDFW and the state allowing voters to manage the game instead of the people that are supposed to. After over 50 years of hunting 2019 marks the date WA has gotten the last of my money for hunting licenses. 2017 for fishing licenses as with the restrictions on selective gear rules on so many of the lakes, even ice fishing, and catch and release only in so many of the rivers and streams, If I can't keep the fish why buy a license? Won't even bother with small game to hunt predators, getting impossible to get away from skinney skiers, even 5 miles off the road
Quote from: Jingles on January 25, 2020, 12:49:40 PMMuch like many others I am fed up with the mismanagement of wildlife by WDFW and the state allowing voters to manage the game instead of the people that are supposed to. After over 50 years of hunting 2019 marks the date WA has gotten the last of my money for hunting licenses. 2017 for fishing licenses as with the restrictions on selective gear rules on so many of the lakes, even ice fishing, and catch and release only in so many of the rivers and streams, If I can't keep the fish why buy a license? Won't even bother with small game to hunt predators, getting impossible to get away from skinney skiers, even 5 miles off the roadIf that was all you were wanting to do, a small game license is $40.50. Just to hunt yotes and bobs. But yotes can be hunted with either a big game or small game license. So you could save $16.50 by just buying a $24.00 cougar or bear license. Then you could hunt cougar or bear, plus you could hunt yotes year round. Way better deal that way, unless youre dying to hunt bobcats.
Quote from: Bango skank on January 25, 2020, 01:06:47 PMQuote from: Jingles on January 25, 2020, 12:49:40 PMMuch like many others I am fed up with the mismanagement of wildlife by WDFW and the state allowing voters to manage the game instead of the people that are supposed to. After over 50 years of hunting 2019 marks the date WA has gotten the last of my money for hunting licenses. 2017 for fishing licenses as with the restrictions on selective gear rules on so many of the lakes, even ice fishing, and catch and release only in so many of the rivers and streams, If I can't keep the fish why buy a license? Won't even bother with small game to hunt predators, getting impossible to get away from skinney skiers, even 5 miles off the roadIf that was all you were wanting to do, a small game license is $40.50. Just to hunt yotes and bobs. But yotes can be hunted with either a big game or small game license. So you could save $16.50 by just buying a $24.00 cougar or bear license. Then you could hunt cougar or bear, plus you could hunt yotes year round. Way better deal that way, unless youre dying to hunt bobcats.With the Cougar tag you can buy the reduced priced Small Game tag. Best value by far!
Quote from: Cougartail on January 25, 2020, 01:17:49 PMQuote from: Bango skank on January 25, 2020, 01:06:47 PMQuote from: Jingles on January 25, 2020, 12:49:40 PMMuch like many others I am fed up with the mismanagement of wildlife by WDFW and the state allowing voters to manage the game instead of the people that are supposed to. After over 50 years of hunting 2019 marks the date WA has gotten the last of my money for hunting licenses. 2017 for fishing licenses as with the restrictions on selective gear rules on so many of the lakes, even ice fishing, and catch and release only in so many of the rivers and streams, If I can't keep the fish why buy a license? Won't even bother with small game to hunt predators, getting impossible to get away from skinney skiers, even 5 miles off the roadIf that was all you were wanting to do, a small game license is $40.50. Just to hunt yotes and bobs. But yotes can be hunted with either a big game or small game license. So you could save $16.50 by just buying a $24.00 cougar or bear license. Then you could hunt cougar or bear, plus you could hunt yotes year round. Way better deal that way, unless youre dying to hunt bobcats.With the Cougar tag you can buy the reduced priced Small Game tag. Best value by far! Yeah, thats an extra $22. But if you really dont want to have to pass up a bobcat, its the way to go for sure. I know me personally, if i cheaped out on the small game thing and called in a prime winter bobcat, id be kicking myself in the ass for not spending the extra $22. I really want to get a bob. Just one and ill be happy. But i cant hardly find a damn track this year. May have something to do with the fact that the hare population seems to have suddenly crashed real hard this year. My limited understanding of it is that snowshoe hare populations cycle pretty significantly. Ill keep being a sucker and buying small game until i call in and kill a bobcat. After that, im done buying small game. I think im just a couple years away from buying nothing but bear and lion tags here. I just have a couple bucks that i need to see dead first.