Points are the Devil!

[boneaddict]

One of my favorites are when people think points are the way to go, or preach that we should go to a preference point system.     

[Karl Blanchard]

Oil species (moose, sheep, mtn goat) are a different beast all together because there isn't enough of that resource to meet the demand. If a guy can't come to peace with the fact he probably won't draw in his lifetime for those species, he probably shouldn't apply.

[Ironhead]

One of my favorites are when people think points are the way to go, or preach that we should go to a preference point system.     

                             

[vandeman17]

the point system in other states doesn't bother me AS much because they have WAY better general seasons. Eastside elk is perfect example here where if you apply and don't have multi season, your elk season might be like 2 weeks long of super crowded hunting. Don't draw your special permit in Montana but draw just your combo tag, you can pretty much hunt branched bulls from september to november. 

[grundy53]

One of my favorites are when people think points are the way to go, or preach that we should go to a preference point system.     

Agreed.  It's usually because they have a lot of points and still can't draw. Lol

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[boneaddict]

Its great if you have 20 points in the bank but its a real pisser when you reset or you want to get your kid going.

[Skyvalhunter]

One of my favorites are when people think points are the way to go, or preach that we should go to a preference point system.     

But will you also agree that when a state is into the point system this far it's not right to just abandoned the program?

[WSU]

I would think its got to be a problem with hunter recruitment.  A new hunter starting at zero is so far behind in some instances that they'll never catch up.

[boneaddict]

I've wrestled with it.....   but see no way they can with the way they have sold the points.  If awarded a point for applying (thats one thing).  Having a points only option where you buy points....thats another.  I think there would be an all out melt down if not civil war.

IF they did, and adopted an Idaho like system, I could legitimately have a chance to hunt goats or sheep before I died if not in a year or two.  Whereas now, even at max points, odds are it will never happen.


You are correct WSU     

[vandeman17]

One of my favorites are when people think points are the way to go, or preach that we should go to a preference point system.     

But will you also agree that when a state is into the point system this far it's not right to just abandoned the program?

I think you would be surprised at how many hunters would be ok with abandoning the program and losing their points, especially ones with children who hunt. I don't have kids but still would be totally ok with getting rid of points and losing mine.

[actionshooter]

Oil species (moose, sheep, mtn goat) are a different beast all together because there isn't enough of that resource to meet the demand. If a guy can't come to peace with the fact he probably won't draw in his lifetime for those species, he probably shouldn't apply.

Yep,
  Aside from Idaho, I don't even bother with these out of state, the odds are too low and the cost is too high..
Alaska is the obvious choice for moose, but they way I see goat and sheep, I would rather pay up and go than gamble on winning the animal lotto before old age gets me...

[boneaddict]

Every system has its pros and cons obviously.

Part of the homework Karl is talking about....   As a non-resident applying out of state you need to pay attention to each system, not just where you want to hunt etc.   Many  states have caps on Non-residents.  You need to pay attention to how many tags are even available.   Its very easy to apply for a hunt where there isnt even a non resident tag available.   I see it every year when looking at stats.   They will gladly take your cash.   You are essentially handing them your money with ZERO chance of drawing.   This is more pertinent with OIL hunts where tag numbers are low.

Getting lower every year too.  Thanks to the wolves.

[grundy53]

One of my favorites are when people think points are the way to go, or preach that we should go to a preference point system.     

But will you also agree that when a state is into the point system this far it's not right to just abandoned the program?

I think you would be surprised at how many hunters would be ok with abandoning the program and losing their points, especially ones with children who hunt. I don't have kids but still would be totally ok with getting rid of points and losing mine.

Agreed.  I would gladly give mine up

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[Skyvalhunter]

I think in Wa at least you will find alot more OIL point holders than deer, elk, etc. True alot of states do have a cap on the number of non resident permits given out.

[boneaddict]

Oil species (moose, sheep, mtn goat) are a different beast all together because there isn't enough of that resource to meet the demand. If a guy can't come to peace with the fact he probably won't draw in his lifetime for those species, he probably shouldn't apply.

Yep,
  Aside from Idaho, I don't even bother with these out of state, the odds are too low and the cost is too high..
Alaska is the obvious choice for moose, but they way I see goat and sheep, I would rather pay up and go than gamble on winning the animal lotto before old age gets me...

I dropped a couple, feel too invested in others.    Thats the hook.