9mm?

[WapitiTalk1]

9MM is fine fir range plinking and marginal home defense round. For big furry, gonna rip into your neck and bury you for late night snack 4-leggers? .44 Mag, 305 grain HSM bear loads at the far left end of the scale. 

[Cylvertip]

Underwood Xtreme Penetrator.  All the penetration of hard cast plus a big wound channel. 

The big brown bear that was killed by the fishing guide up in AK had one hard cast round  completely pass through the bear, short of the hide on the far side.  There have been some threads out with more write up on the hard cast and Underwood.

[Bango skank]

Underwood Xtreme Penetrator.  All the penetration of hard cast plus a big wound channel. 

The big brown bear that was killed by the fishing guide up in AN had one hard cast round  completely pass through the bear, short of the hide on the far side.  There have been some threads out with more write up on the hard cast and Underwood.

The bullets are made by lehigh defense, and as couple cartridge manufacturers use them.  I actually killed a very large bodied whitetail with the underwood extreme penetrators, and i contacted them to discuss the penetration results.  They said theyre supposed to be a compromise between hard cast and hollow point.  Less penetration than hard cast, but bigger wound channel.  More penetration than hollow point, but smaller wound channel.  A happy median.

Theyre now also offering "xtreme hunter" in some cslibers.  They look the same as extreme penetrator, but looks like more heavy fluting.  The xtreme hunters are a lower weight than the xtreme penetrators, but reading underwoods description it sounds like theyre claiming equal or greater penetration than hard cast with those.  Im skeptical, but havent tried them, so i cant say either wsy if that is a bogus claim or not.

[KFhunter]

All I'm gonna say is a 9mm is a helluva lot better than no millimeters.

Stick some hornady critical duty +p in it and go ride.

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[grundy53]

All I'm gonna say is a 9mm is a helluva lot better than no millimeters.


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Agreed


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[kukusya]

So, what do you carry for protection against cougs? Thanks

[JimmyHoffa]

9mm for everything except brownies, then it's .454

[Bango skank]

So, what do you carry for protection against cougs? Thanks

A cougar tag 

Really though imo a 9mm is perfectly fine when the bears are sleeping.  When the bears are out snd sbout id go .357 or 10mm. If grizz country, .44.  But thats just me.  I shot one (small) male black bear with a .44 mag and it flipped him ass over tea kettle.

[Stein]

So, what do you carry for protection against cougs? Thanks

Poodle wrapped in tuna.

[Cab]

I personally like Hornady Critical Defense, if you want some real testing and insight check out this guys youtube:

he's tested A LOT of 9mm ammo poke around his channel and you should be able to find some good info

[C-Money]

I've had pretty good luck with the PMC Starfire 124gr HP.

[Cougartail]

Bear load 147 grain Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman.  Fishing guide in Alaska killed a griz with this load.  Good choice if you carry a 9mm.  Cats Wolfs and bad guys many good options, look at the lucky gunner website for extensive ballistics testing.

Fluke, absolute dumb luck.  Just because it happened once doesnt mean you should bet your life on it happening again.

lol..  Phil Shoemaker (The shooter.) is a long time bear guide in SW Alaska and being a fishing guide is a sideline to his business. He knows more about killing large Brown Bears than 99.999999999% of humans on the planet.

Trust me.. it's no fluke. His daughter carries a 357 with hardcasts and is also a guide.

[hunter399]

All I'm gonna say is a 9mm is a helluva lot better than no millimeters.


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Agreed


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+1

[Bango skank]

Bear load 147 grain Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman.  Fishing guide in Alaska killed a griz with this load.  Good choice if you carry a 9mm.  Cats Wolfs and bad guys many good options, look at the lucky gunner website for extensive ballistics testing.

Fluke, absolute dumb luck.  Just because it happened once doesnt mean you should bet your life on it happening again.

lol..  Phil Shoemaker (The shooter.) is a long time bear guide in SW Alaska and being a fishing guide is a sideline to his business. He knows more about killing large Brown Bears than 99.999999999% of humans on the planet.

Trust me.. it's no fluke. His daughter carries a 357 with hardcasts and is also a guide.

I remember reading about this right after it happened, and even he said that wasnt his choice of gun, but for whatever the reason was, its what he had at the time, so it was better than nothing.  Yes killing a grizz with a 9mm is s fluke, or dumb luck, whatever you want to call it.  But you go right ahead and carry a 9mm into grizz country, because it worked once, for one person.

I know a guy that was a guide on kodiak and the north gulf coast for a number of years, and a proxy hunter for natives, and still guides photographers on kodiak, just no longer guides hunters.  You wouldnt catch him out there with a 9mm.  But you do you.  Have fun.  As was said before, be sure to file the front sight off. 

[Badhabit]

I like Lucky Gunner's 9mm complete testing data for the various rounds.

https://www.luckygunner.com/labs/self-defense-ammo-ballistic-tests/

I personally have my 9mm mags filled with PNW Arms 115 grn for daily carry. Only problem is they don't make it anymore.

For critters I'll have Winchester 147 grn RangersBonded