Puget Sound Steelheading

[2MANY]

Bring back the KISW shirt, blast Rush's Working Man to the West from our coast, the fish will come.

THIS!!!!!!!!!

[Gobble Doc]

Bring back the KISW shirt, blast Rush's Working Man to the West from our coast, the fish will come.

THIS!!!!!!!!!

I was trying to figure out if Tower records or loss of the kingdome may have contributed. Maybe add some Def Leppard to the mix.


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[2MANY]

I remember one day around 83' I caught 5 steelhead in the Deschutes river near Tumwater.

AND

There was defiantly loud music involved.

Where have all the good times gone???

[7mmfan]

Bring back the KISW shirt, blast Rush's Working Man to the West from our coast, the fish will come.

THIS!!!!!!!!!

I was trying to figure out if Tower records or loss of the kingdome may have contributed. Maybe add some Def Leppard to the mix.


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I was pulling plugs on the Skykomish listening to the Kingdome implosion on the radio. I remember the day well. We managed a few nice fish that day. Blue Pirate #35 Hotshot was the plug of the day.

[Backstrap]

Update to my original post.  As of today, 2/6 the adult steelhead return to the Puget Sound rivers, Nooksack, Stilly, Sky, and Snoqualmie is 255 fish from a plant of 486,767 or .052%

How about the North Fork Stilly?  A plant of 136,270 that returned a whopping 24 fish.  That's .000176 or .0176%

I don't think any of these rivers met their egg take numbers..  Portions of these rivers have reopened for hatchery steelhead retention, not because they now have enough broodstock, but because "hatchery broodstock collection has ended for the season" 

There was essentially no hatchery winter steelhead season in these rivers this year...

It’s still early. The last 2 years I’ve seen chrome bright fish coming in the Green as late as April and May. Hoping for the best.
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[PolarBear]

Hell, Kennedy Creek an Skookum Creek use to have steelhead. 

[7mmfan]

Update to my original post.  As of today, 2/6 the adult steelhead return to the Puget Sound rivers, Nooksack, Stilly, Sky, and Snoqualmie is 255 fish from a plant of 486,767 or .052%

How about the North Fork Stilly?  A plant of 136,270 that returned a whopping 24 fish.  That's .000176 or .0176%

I don't think any of these rivers met their egg take numbers..  Portions of these rivers have reopened for hatchery steelhead retention, not because they now have enough broodstock, but because "hatchery broodstock collection has ended for the season" 

There was essentially no hatchery winter steelhead season in these rivers this year...

It’s still early. The last 2 years I’ve seen chrome bright fish coming in the Green as late as April and May. Hoping for the best.
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April and May is definitely prime time for chrome wild fish in PS rivers. They aren't open though. That's the point.

[87Ford]

Talking about hatchery steelhead..

[huntnphool]

Talking about hatchery steelhead..

 +1, and dams are a non factor.

 Why is it that coastal Indian hatcheries get plenty of fish back every year? Do coastal Indian hatchery fish migrate to areas that are less susceptible to predation, or are their programs simply better?

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Talking about hatchery steelhead..

 +1, and dams are a non factor.

 Why is it that coastal Indian hatcheries get plenty of fish back every year? Do coastal Indian hatchery fish migrate to areas that are less susceptible to predation, or are their programs simply better?

It's a fact that the tribes hatcheries are awesome! Anybody that's been up to the top point of the Oly pen has witnessed Top Notch hatchery practices which are there for production of fish. With out it there are no fish because it all has been over harvested.

[huntnphool]

Talking about hatchery steelhead..

 +1, and dams are a non factor.

 Why is it that coastal Indian hatcheries get plenty of fish back every year? Do coastal Indian hatchery fish migrate to areas that are less susceptible to predation, or are their programs simply better?

It's a fact that the tribes hatcheries are awesome! Anybody that's been up to the top point of the Oly pen has witnessed Top Notch hatchery practices which are there for production of fish. With out it there are no fish because it all has been over harvested.

 How can there be overharvest of Puget Sound steelhead and not coastal, unless the coastal fish are hiding in a different spot while growing?

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

Nets.

[HUNTINCOUPLE]

I remember back to the late 80's when there were steelhead dumped in the ditches of the Green R around Auburn for what reason is probably still unknown?

[huntnphool]

Nets.

 Again, how are coastal fish avoiding the “predators”/nets and the PS fish are not?

[BigCutty3]

Coastal Tribal hatcheries get "more" fish back because they 1] Empty into the coast, and therefore have higher survival than Puget Sound streams
2] Are federally funded (by taxpayers] 3] Have the largest smolt release programs on the westside, with the exception of the Cowlitz 4] Arent subject to "hatchery reform" 5] Arent subject to Endangered Species Act limitations.

The Bogachiel hatchery gets back fish at as good or as high a return rate as any tribal program.  If they weren't subject to the same hatchery reform regulations and could selectively breed locally adapted broodstock and release them at the same quantities as tribal programs, you'd see a dramatic increase in the both the quality and quantity of adult returns.

The Sooes [Tribal) releases 165,000 smolts on average a year, which is slightly more than the Bogey/Calawah.  And the fishery was totally closed this year to tribal and recreational fishing due to bad returns.  Last time I looked the Bogey had returned 1106 steelhead this season, the highest return on the coast.  Both facilities utilize "chambers" stock, for a more apples to apples comparison.  Both are subject to intensive tribal fisheries-

Cook Creek on the Quinault releases a "Chambers" derivative, at a higher annual number than Bogey.  It sucked this year as well. 

The Salmon releases a local (Quinault) stock that is selectively bred for large size.  While return rates seem better, they also plant a lot more into that system, usually 200,000 to 225,000.