WDFW news release

[JoshT]

I concur... they could.

If you have a pistol concealed... you better have a CPL in this state. Hiker, biker, fisherman, waitress at Sonic, longshoreman, construction worker, census taker... it doesn't matter... a concealed pistol requires a license.
RCW 9.41.060 (as you quoted it) assumes the person carrying concealed would have the appropriate license... it does not grant them amnesty from the existing laws regarding the carrying of a concealed pistol. It mearly does not place a restriction on the carrying of the concealed pistol... like the proposed Mayor Nicols Seattle parks laws.

Open carry is always legal... provided your carry method fits the discription of "open carry"... unless it's durring bow/mz season... and you have a bow/mz tag... and you're in an area open to bw/mz hunting.

Not right... just how it is.

[Kain]

I concur... they could.

If you have a pistol concealed... you better have a CPL in this state. Hiker, biker, fisherman, waitress at Sonic, longshoreman, construction worker, census taker... it doesn't matter... a concealed pistol requires a license.
RCW 9.41.060 (as you quoted it) assumes the person carrying concealed would have the appropriate license... it does not grant them amnesty from the existing laws regarding the carrying of a concealed pistol. It mearly does not place a restriction on the carrying of the concealed pistol... like the proposed Mayor Nicols Seattle parks laws.

Open carry is always legal... provided your carry method fits the discription of "open carry"... unless it's durring bow/mz season... and you have a bow/mz tag... and you're in an area open to bw/mz hunting.

Not right... just how it is.

Actually it does.

"RCW 9.41.060
Exceptions to restrictions on carrying firearms.

The provisions of RCW 9.41.050 shall not apply to:"

If you read it does provide exceptions to the 9.41.050 laws.  This includes "(1)(a) Except in the person's place of abode or fixed place of business, a person shall not carry a pistol concealed on his or her person without a license to carry a concealed pistol."


Obviously you cant carry a firearm anywhere it would be restricted but you can carry concealed without a CWP.  As long as you are going to, or from, or engaging in, a legal outdoor activity the 9.41.050 "shall not apply to" you.
 So technically the hunting license itself IS your CWP already (while hunting).

[Machias]

I concur... they could.

If you have a pistol concealed... you better have a CPL in this state. Hiker, biker, fisherman, waitress at Sonic, longshoreman, construction worker, census taker... it doesn't matter... a concealed pistol requires a license.
RCW 9.41.060 (as you quoted it) assumes the person carrying concealed would have the appropriate license... it does not grant them amnesty from the existing laws regarding the carrying of a concealed pistol. It mearly does not place a restriction on the carrying of the concealed pistol... like the proposed Mayor Nicols Seattle parks laws.

Open carry is always legal... provided your carry method fits the discription of "open carry"... unless it's durring bow/mz season... and you have a bow/mz tag... and you're in an area open to bw/mz hunting.

Not right... just how it is.

WRONG, if you are engaged in an outdoor activity you are allowed to carry concealed WITHOUT a conealed carry permit.  THAT is why it is asinine to force bowhunters to have a CWP while carrying openly or concealed, but escpecially openly!!!!!

[JoshT]

So if I'm on my bicycle... I don't need a CPL? Or, if I'm jogging... I don't need a CPL?

Sweet... I stand corrected. SO... how can a big game statute be in direct violation of a state law? Now I see what all the fuss is about.

[Kain]

Asinine.  I love that word.  Fun to say.

Ok I think we are all on the same page about the law.  I already have a CWP so this for me is just principle and wont really effect me.  I have already sent letters to the commission before and after the meeting on April 4th.  I was not able to make it to the meeting and I guess no one else that had a problem with this new rule did either.  I guess we are stuck with it unless someone wants to take legal action.  Dont know if that would be productive or worth it.  But if you guys want to write a nice letter letting them know how you feel about this, it might make a difference for next year.

commission@dfw.wa.gov

I havent seen anyone on here that really likes the law.  I see the guys that are guessing the reason behind it but even they seem to think its not a great idea.  I could be wrong on that.  Please send in your letters and then we can move on.  

Happy hunting guys.

[Machias]

Four folks out enjoying the woods on 1 Sept.  They meet at a trail crossing.  One guy is just hiking, he has a loaded handgun in his backpack, one guy is riding his mule and has a loaded handgun in a saddle bag, one guy was fishing a mountain lake and has a loaded handgun concealed by his jacket and one guy is bowhunting and had his handgun in a holster in plain view.  None of them have a CWP.  Only one will be in violation?  The bowhunter.  Makes NO sense what so ever.

[boneaddict]

point presented well Machias.

[lamar_hunter]

so are you allowed to dispatch wounded game if u have ur CWP? or just carry a gun.

[JoshT]

Damn machias... I was looking for a punch line there. I thought that was like a blonde, brunette, red head kind of thing. I guess the joke here is really the WDFW... not too funny if you ask me.

[boneaddict]

Not as far as I know Lamar.

[Kain]

so are you allowed to dispatch wounded game if u have ur CWP? or just carry a gun.

No,  that is what makes the rule so ridiculous.  There is already a rule against dispatching game with the wrong weapon.  You can dispatch wounded animals with a black powder pistol if you have a Mzl license though, as long as it meets all the requirements for muzzle load firearms.

[Kain]

Four folks out enjoying the woods on 1 Sept.  They meet at a trail crossing.  One guy is just hiking, he has a loaded handgun in his backpack, one guy is riding his mule and has a loaded handgun in a saddle bag, one guy was fishing a mountain lake and has a loaded handgun concealed by his jacket and one guy is bowhunting and had his handgun in a holster in plain view.  None of them have a CWP.  Only one will be in violation?  The bowhunter.  Makes NO sense what so ever.

Lol just sent another letter to the commission.  All it had was this in it.  Thanks that is perfect for getting at the point of my problems with this.

Copy of letter
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http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,24629.45.html

"Four folks out enjoying the woods on 1 Sept.  They meet at a trail crossing.  One guy is just hiking, he has a loaded handgun in his backpack, one guy is riding his mule and has a loaded handgun in a saddle bag, one guy was fishing a mountain lake and has a loaded handgun concealed by his jacket and one guy is bowhunting and had his handgun in a holster in plain view.  None of them have a CWP.  Only one will be in violation?  The bowhunter.  Makes NO sense what so ever."

Hope there is still time for you to reconsider the ridiculous rule."

[Kain]

You could add a grouse hunter with a shotgun and a bear hunter with a rifle in there also.  But if that ever happened to me I would find a less crowded place to hunt.   

[lamar_hunter]

its pretty ridiculous they would rather have the animal suffer and risk loosing game than let us finish it off with a gun.

[Ray]

They have to draw the line in the sand with regards to hunting weaponry. I agree with the rule of not permitting people to "finish off" critters with a weapon that is not legal for the season at hand. In this case something like a pistol in the archery season for example. It would otherwise leave the playing field open for abusing the system and poaching out of season to spread.