idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase

[Machias]

I don't think they should have raised Non-resident wolf tag prices, but I will say up till now, only a handful of non-resident hunters have actually killed a wolf.  In fact hardly any resident hunters have killed any wolves, most of the wolf harvest have been Resident trappers.

True. But wouldn't you like everyone to have a tag in their pocket? Just in case?

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[grundy53]

I don't think they should have raised Non-resident wolf tag prices, but I will say up till now, only a handful of non-resident hunters have actually killed a wolf.  In fact hardly any resident hunters have killed any wolves, most of the wolf harvest have been Resident trappers.

True. But wouldn't you like everyone to have a tag in their pocket? Just in case?

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  You must have skipped over my first sentence....

Sorry. I wasn't saying you personally.  I was talking about the decision makers.

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[luvmystang67]

Non resident hunts ARE a rich mans sport.  How else do you justify spending 10x on a tag that most people could buy at home (talking about western states here).  Usually when supply outpaces demand and you want to keep prices low you run a lottery to keep it fair, not cap tags.

How does the current rate of >$600 to take your 10% chance at an elk in Idaho make it not a rich mans (or woman's) sport?

There is a price where demand and supply align for Idaho, and a few years ago that rate was lower than the capped NR tags, to the point where thy were selling them at $199 trying to get people to buy.  If you need to cap in a certain area, it should be a draw only area.  Otherwise, you should be adjusting price to throttle demand.

Virtually every state either treats NR as a "rich man's sport" to help keep prices low for the local poor man.  I don't really see anything fundamentally wrong with this and it seems neither do most of the rest of you.

If you really want to keep it an everyman's sport then perhaps NR and R should be the same price with separate lotteries.  Truth is, that isn't what residents want, they want to make it a rich mans sport for the NR crew to subsidize their own hunting. 

Convince me I'm wrong here.

I also think Idaho has overplayed their hand, especially with the economy going where its going.  I bet they don't sell out of general elk tags in 2021 and NR revenues actually fall.  Maybe there aren't enough rich men.

[Bango skank]

Oh im sure theyll still sell out deer and elk.  But i bet they make less money on NR wolf tags now thst theyre hiking the price up 600%.  I doubt many nr wolf tags are bought by folks actively hunting wolves.  Probably mostly guys making one trip over to hunt deer or elk that buy a nr wolf tag "just in case" since its only $30.  How many of those guys will buy a just in case tag when its $185?  I predict lower total income from nr wolf tags with the price increase.  Pretty stupid move.

[Bango skank]

People complain about tags but support Id utv/atv tag requirements? 

Yes, im complaining about a tag increase of $150, but im not complaining about a atv fee of $12. 

Aside from the obvious significant cost difference, the fact is you MUST have a tag to hunt.  You dont need an atv to hunt.

And if im hunting wolves, i want 2 tags on me, so thats an additional $300.  For something required to hunt.  Thats a much bigger deal than $12 for something that is not mandatory.

You can hunt without an atv.  You cant hunt without a tag.

[Machias]

I don't think they should have raised Non-resident wolf tag prices, but I will say up till now, only a handful of non-resident hunters have actually killed a wolf.  In fact hardly any resident hunters have killed any wolves, most of the wolf harvest have been Resident trappers.

True. But wouldn't you like everyone to have a tag in their pocket? Just in case?

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  You must have skipped over my first sentence....

Sorry. I wasn't saying you personally.  I was talking about the decision makers.

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[idaho guy]

Oh im sure theyll still sell out deer and elk.  But i bet they make less money on NR wolf tags now thst theyre hiking the price up 600%.  I doubt many nr wolf tags are bought by folks actively hunting wolves.  Probably mostly guys making one trip over to hunt deer or elk that buy a nr wolf tag "just in case" since its only $30.  How many of those guys will buy a just in case tag when its $185?  I predict lower total income from nr wolf tags with the price increase.  Pretty stupid move.

  I agree 100% with wolf tag prices. I think if you buy deer/elk nr tags 1st wolf tag should be free so everyone has a tag in their pocket. I doubt that increase survives as I am sure they will hear about it from residents and non residents. I am going to recommend free with deer and elk purchase to one of the commissioners I know really well.     

[idaho guy]

Non resident hunts ARE a rich mans sport.  How else do you justify spending 10x on a tag that most people could buy at home (talking about western states here).  Usually when supply outpaces demand and you want to keep prices low you run a lottery to keep it fair, not cap tags.

How does the current rate of >$600 to take your 10% chance at an elk in Idaho make it not a rich mans (or woman's) sport?

There is a price where demand and supply align for Idaho, and a few years ago that rate was lower than the capped NR tags, to the point where thy were selling them at $199 trying to get people to buy.  If you need to cap in a certain area, it should be a draw only area.  Otherwise, you should be adjusting price to throttle demand.

Virtually every state either treats NR as a "rich man's sport" to help keep prices low for the local poor man.  I don't really see anything fundamentally wrong with this and it seems neither do most of the rest of you.

If you really want to keep it an everyman's sport then perhaps NR and R should be the same price with separate lotteries.  Truth is, that isn't what residents want, they want to make it a rich mans sport for the NR crew to subsidize their own hunting. 

Convince me I'm wrong here.

I also think Idaho has overplayed their hand, especially with the economy going where its going.  I bet they don't sell out of general elk tags in 2021 and NR revenues actually fall.  Maybe there aren't enough rich men.

   
Idaho caps a number of units that don't need to be draw only and it works fine. Some capped units do need to move to draw only and I think they would actually be easier to get in this scenario. The point is Idaho needs to cap non resident hunters to actually do their job which is supposed to be manage game. Tags were selling discounted in 08-09 which was a true financial crisis not a recession or slow down of the economy. That was also the peak of wolf issues and things are getting better  with elk and wolf  numbers in many units. 
600 dollars does not make it a rich man sport. If you want to see rich man prices look at landowner tags in good units. They are priced on market demand and unaffordable for average middle class guy to purchase each year. States issuing tags in not about free markets only but more importantly about managing game for the future. 600 dollars is affordable for anyone working if they want to prioritize hunting and they are buying the opportunity to chase elk for up to 4 months. Some guys spend that much for 2 rounds of golf. Look up some landowner tags that you might actually want that's market driven prices and ask yourself if you want to pay those prices to chase elk every year.     

[huntnnw]

once again the NR wolf tags are not changing in price

[bearpaw]

Oh im sure theyll still sell out deer and elk.  But i bet they make less money on NR wolf tags now thst theyre hiking the price up 600%.  I doubt many nr wolf tags are bought by folks actively hunting wolves.  Probably mostly guys making one trip over to hunt deer or elk that buy a nr wolf tag "just in case" since its only $30.  How many of those guys will buy a just in case tag when its $185?  I predict lower total income from nr wolf tags with the price increase.  Pretty stupid move.

  I agree 100% with wolf tag prices. I think if you buy deer/elk nr tags 1st wolf tag should be free so everyone has a tag in their pocket. I doubt that increase survives as I am sure they will hear about it from residents and non residents. I am going to recommend free with deer and elk purchase to one of the commissioners I know really well.   

We try to convince every hunter to have at least one wolf tag in their pocket, but more than 50% don't buy them. I would support adding $15 to the deer/elk tag fees and including a wolf tag with every deer or elk tag, if you buy both deer and elk then you get two wolf tags.

(more or less the same scenario as when you buy the NR Hunting you get 3 days fishing)

[Pathfinder101]

Sorry to jump in here without reading all 18 pages (so maybe this has already been covered), but can you still slap your deer tag on a wolf or cougar?  Did they change that?

[huntnnw]

to my knowledge that is still okay along with bear

[ribka]

thank you

Non resident hunts ARE a rich mans sport.  How else do you justify spending 10x on a tag that most people could buy at home (talking about western states here).  Usually when supply outpaces demand and you want to keep prices low you run a lottery to keep it fair, not cap tags.

How does the current rate of >$600 to take your 10% chance at an elk in Idaho make it not a rich mans (or woman's) sport?

There is a price where demand and supply align for Idaho, and a few years ago that rate was lower than the capped NR tags, to the point where thy were selling them at $199 trying to get people to buy.  If you need to cap in a certain area, it should be a draw only area.  Otherwise, you should be adjusting price to throttle demand.

Virtually every state either treats NR as a "rich man's sport" to help keep prices low for the local poor man.  I don't really see anything fundamentally wrong with this and it seems neither do most of the rest of you.

If you really want to keep it an everyman's sport then perhaps NR and R should be the same price with separate lotteries.  Truth is, that isn't what residents want, they want to make it a rich mans sport for the NR crew to subsidize their own hunting. 

Convince me I'm wrong here.

I also think Idaho has overplayed their hand, especially with the economy going where its going.  I bet they don't sell out of general elk tags in 2021 and NR revenues actually fall.  Maybe there aren't enough rich men.

   
Idaho caps a number of units that don't need to be draw only and it works fine. Some capped units do need to move to draw only and I think they would actually be easier to get in this scenario. The point is Idaho needs to cap non resident hunters to actually do their job which is supposed to be manage game. Tags were selling discounted in 08-09 which was a true financial crisis not a recession or slow down of the economy. That was also the peak of wolf issues and things are getting better  with elk and wolf  numbers in many units. 
600 dollars does not make it a rich man sport. If you want to see rich man prices look at landowner tags in good units. They are priced on market demand and unaffordable for average middle class guy to purchase each year. States issuing tags in not about free markets only but more importantly about managing game for the future. 600 dollars is affordable for anyone working if they want to prioritize hunting and they are buying the opportunity to chase elk for up to 4 months. Some guys spend that much for 2 rounds of golf. Look up some landowner tags that you might actually want that's market driven prices and ask yourself if you want to pay those prices to chase elk every year.   

[huntnnw]

more wolves than ever in ID this year, dunno how anyone can say its getting better. Hunters are not keeping numbers in check in most areas. Hell they just flew lolo and shot 17 wolves in February this is the 8th year in 9 years IDFG has had to do this as wolf pop is exploding. ID had its worst year in livestock incidents.

[Onewhohikes]

Doubt it will get better