idaho non resident tag decrease, fee increase

[Stein]

Why would they lower prices?  It's already a done deal, plenty of people will buy them, at worst it will be a one year very slight dip and then back up to normal.

[cb1989]

Some inter-state coordination on how many game animals one guy gets to shoot in one year seems like a good idea too. Lotta game hogs out there these days hunting 3-4 diff states a year just because they can. Never used to be the case until the internet era. Now that one guy is basically 3-4 guys from a demand standpoint. Of course the supply is going to have trouble keeping up with that. But states dont really have motivation to limit that behavior because it brings in a lot of license revenue. And hunters wont self regulate and not be selfish so that just is what it is.

Not ironically, those same types of guys are the main barriers for entry for new hunters. Where im from in Michigan the hunter numbers are falling but access to hunt private land is getting far more difficult because one guy holds multiple permissions, and the market for leases has gotten huge so a lot of farmers wont give permission for free. When I came up you could go knock on anybody's door and get permission, made learning easy and fun. Hard to get new people started when its a full time job just finding decent access. Seems to be the case here in the west as well just for slightly different reasons. Point creep, loss of nonresident opportunity, loss of resident opportunity, people wonder how it can keep getting worse and worse every year when hunter numbers are about flat or even falling. It's because in age where it seems a lot of guys are motivated by the pursuit of internet fame, they've gotten a heck of a lot more serious about their hunting. This forum is full of guys that put in dozens of apps a year in diff states then turn around and complain about point creep 

If you're wondering why your kid doesnt have the opportunity for a quality hunt, check out the dude posting about his 2nd bull elk this year or 3rd deer.

[buglebrush]

Some inter-state coordination on how many game animals one guy gets to shoot in one year seems like a good idea too. Lotta game hogs out there these days hunting 3-4 diff states a year just because they can. Never used to be the case until the internet era. Now that one guy is basically 3-4 guys from a demand standpoint. Of course the supply is going to have trouble keeping up with that. But states dont really have motivation to limit that behavior because it brings in a lot of license revenue. And hunters wont self regulate and not be selfish so that just is what it is.

Not ironically, those same types of guys are the main barriers for entry for new hunters. Where im from in Michigan the hunter numbers are falling but access to hunt private land is getting far more difficult because one guy holds multiple permissions, and the market for leases has gotten huge so a lot of farmers wont give permission for free. When I came up you could go knock on anybody's door and get permission, made learning easy and fun. Hard to get new people started when its a full time job just finding decent access. Seems to be the case here in the west as well just for slightly different reasons. Point creep, loss of nonresident opportunity, loss of resident opportunity, people wonder how it can keep getting worse and worse every year when hunter numbers are about flat or even falling. It's because in age where it seems a lot of guys are motivated by the pursuit of internet fame, they've gotten a heck of a lot more serious about their hunting. This forum is full of guys that put in dozens of apps a year in diff states then turn around and complain about point creep 

If you're wondering why your kid doesnt have the opportunity for a quality hunt, check out the dude posting about his 2nd bull elk this year or 3rd deer.

I get what you're saying, but the window is awfully small where people can actually physically and financially diy Elk Hunt.  Would be criminal to shorten the window even more.   

[grundy53]

Some inter-state coordination on how many game animals one guy gets to shoot in one year seems like a good idea too. Lotta game hogs out there these days hunting 3-4 diff states a year just because they can. Never used to be the case until the internet era. Now that one guy is basically 3-4 guys from a demand standpoint. Of course the supply is going to have trouble keeping up with that. But states dont really have motivation to limit that behavior because it brings in a lot of license revenue. And hunters wont self regulate and not be selfish so that just is what it is.

Not ironically, those same types of guys are the main barriers for entry for new hunters. Where im from in Michigan the hunter numbers are falling but access to hunt private land is getting far more difficult because one guy holds multiple permissions, and the market for leases has gotten huge so a lot of farmers wont give permission for free. When I came up you could go knock on anybody's door and get permission, made learning easy and fun. Hard to get new people started when its a full time job just finding decent access. Seems to be the case here in the west as well just for slightly different reasons. Point creep, loss of nonresident opportunity, loss of resident opportunity, people wonder how it can keep getting worse and worse every year when hunter numbers are about flat or even falling. It's because in age where it seems a lot of guys are motivated by the pursuit of internet fame, they've gotten a heck of a lot more serious about their hunting. This forum is full of guys that put in dozens of apps a year in diff states then turn around and complain about point creep 

If you're wondering why your kid doesnt have the opportunity for a quality hunt, check out the dude posting about his 2nd bull elk this year or 3rd deer.

I doubt a guy hunting multiple states is making any discernable difference. I think traveling is is easier these days. There is huge amounts of information out there that is easy to find. Plus people are more inclined to use credit. All of these make hunting out of state more popular. But I think most people still probably only have one out of state hunt a year. There is just more people doing it.

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[Karl Blanchard]

Some inter-state coordination on how many game animals one guy gets to shoot in one year seems like a good idea too. Lotta game hogs out there these days hunting 3-4 diff states a year just because they can. Never used to be the case until the internet era. Now that one guy is basically 3-4 guys from a demand standpoint. Of course the supply is going to have trouble keeping up with that. But states dont really have motivation to limit that behavior because it brings in a lot of license revenue. And hunters wont self regulate and not be selfish so that just is what it is.

Not ironically, those same types of guys are the main barriers for entry for new hunters. Where im from in Michigan the hunter numbers are falling but access to hunt private land is getting far more difficult because one guy holds multiple permissions, and the market for leases has gotten huge so a lot of farmers wont give permission for free. When I came up you could go knock on anybody's door and get permission, made learning easy and fun. Hard to get new people started when its a full time job just finding decent access. Seems to be the case here in the west as well just for slightly different reasons. Point creep, loss of nonresident opportunity, loss of resident opportunity, people wonder how it can keep getting worse and worse every year when hunter numbers are about flat or even falling. It's because in age where it seems a lot of guys are motivated by the pursuit of internet fame, they've gotten a heck of a lot more serious about their hunting. This forum is full of guys that put in dozens of apps a year in diff states then turn around and complain about point creep 

If you're wondering why your kid doesnt have the opportunity for a quality hunt, check out the dude posting about his 2nd bull elk this year or 3rd deer.

I get what you're saying, but the window is awfully small where people can actually physically and financially diy Elk Hunt.  Would be criminal to shorten the window even more.   

you get what he's saying? I sure as heck don't. Hunting opportunities are plentiful. If someone isn't taking advantage of that its nobody's fault but their own. Every state (except WA) has quotas on game. Just because some folks are hunting multiple states does not mean that there is unchecked game take.  Point creep only effects someone if they are trying to chase a particular unit or don't know what to apply for. For those who take the time to learn the various systems there are always tags to be had. But then again I'm one of those evil selfish hunters taking opportunities away from children 

[buglebrush]

Some inter-state coordination on how many game animals one guy gets to shoot in one year seems like a good idea too. Lotta game hogs out there these days hunting 3-4 diff states a year just because they can. Never used to be the case until the internet era. Now that one guy is basically 3-4 guys from a demand standpoint. Of course the supply is going to have trouble keeping up with that. But states dont really have motivation to limit that behavior because it brings in a lot of license revenue. And hunters wont self regulate and not be selfish so that just is what it is.

Not ironically, those same types of guys are the main barriers for entry for new hunters. Where im from in Michigan the hunter numbers are falling but access to hunt private land is getting far more difficult because one guy holds multiple permissions, and the market for leases has gotten huge so a lot of farmers wont give permission for free. When I came up you could go knock on anybody's door and get permission, made learning easy and fun. Hard to get new people started when its a full time job just finding decent access. Seems to be the case here in the west as well just for slightly different reasons. Point creep, loss of nonresident opportunity, loss of resident opportunity, people wonder how it can keep getting worse and worse every year when hunter numbers are about flat or even falling. It's because in age where it seems a lot of guys are motivated by the pursuit of internet fame, they've gotten a heck of a lot more serious about their hunting. This forum is full of guys that put in dozens of apps a year in diff states then turn around and complain about point creep 

If you're wondering why your kid doesnt have the opportunity for a quality hunt, check out the dude posting about his 2nd bull elk this year or 3rd deer.

I get what you're saying, but the window is awfully small where people can actually physically and financially diy Elk Hunt.  Would be criminal to shorten the window even more.   

you get what he's saying? I sure as heck don't. Hunting opportunities are plentiful. If someone isn't taking advantage of that its nobody's fault but their own. Every state (except WA) has quotas on game. Just because some folks are hunting multiple states does not mean that there is unchecked game take.  Point creep only effects someone if they are trying to chase a particular unit or don't know what to apply for. For those who take the time to learn the various systems there are always tags to be had. But then again I'm one of those evil selfish hunters taking opportunities away from children 

I only meant that I understood his point.  I thought saying it would be "Criminal" made it clear I disagreed.   

[Karl Blanchard]

Gotcha. It's one of the more perplexing arguments I think I've ever heard on western big game hunting. A select few hogging all the game  as we speak there are THOUSANDS of Idaho deer tags available for any man woman or child that wants to snag one up and go hunt. Wyoming deadline for deer and antelope is still a month away. Many units can be had for for 0-1 points. Get to hunting people. Blaming others for ones own lack of action is insulting

[Karl Blanchard]

Let's not forget Idaho otc elk tags and unlimited otc CO elk tags just to drive my point home a bit more 

[grundy53]

Let's not forget Idaho otc elk tags and unlimited otc CO elk tags just to drive my point home a bit more 

Don't forget, anyone in this country can hunt deer and elk every year in Washington if they want...... a 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😆😆😆😭😭😭😂😂😂😂😂

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[blackveltbowhunter]

 

Life is short. Hunt maximum effort.

     Game agencies in each state decide what is the best decision for their state. For those who have the time and funds or MAKE the time and funds its their decision. I work a second job to fund my addiction and bank vacation to save for hunting months.

   I will add that the majority of posters and trends seen on this site is not representative of everywhere. Heck even here is only a snapshot of Washington hunters, and even less who are regularly active. WDFW has screwed things up so bad, that for many it seems like out of state is the only option. I know lots of residents in other western states and while they travel, selections tend to be more limited because they live in states that have good hunting already. Even residents of states in the east while many travel to western states because its become super trendy, a lot get the fix because they have the option to hunt whitetails for several months and kill multiple deer.

   I guess what I am saying is that while it may seem ridiculous to some that I want to go on as many hunts per season as tags and time allow, its ridiculous to me someone would want to vacation on a boat in the Caribbean with nothing to shoot at, go every sunday to get drunk and watch a bunch of guys hit each other and play catch, or have a garage full of cars that don't get driven.

[Stein]

On the flip side of the coin, there are guys that have multiple elk tags in a year and shoot 0.  We contribute dollars to multiple states without taking anything.  I hope I'm not the only one.   

[buglebrush]

Gotcha. It's one of the more perplexing arguments I think I've ever heard on western big game hunting. A select few hogging all the game  as we speak there are THOUSANDS of Idaho deer tags available for any man woman or child that wants to snag one up and go hunt. Wyoming deadline for deer and antelope is still a month away. Many units can be had for for 0-1 points. Get to hunting people. Blaming others for ones own lack of action is insulting

Couldn't agree more.  Worked my butt off, and lived dirtbag style to hunt two states and one province last year. 

[Born2late]

Some inter-state coordination on how many game animals one guy gets to shoot in one year seems like a good idea too. Lotta game hogs out there these days hunting 3-4 diff states a year just because they can. Never used to be the case until the internet era. Now that one guy is basically 3-4 guys from a demand standpoint. Of course the supply is going to have trouble keeping up with that. But states dont really have motivation to limit that behavior because it brings in a lot of license revenue. And hunters wont self regulate and not be selfish so that just is what it is.

Not ironically, those same types of guys are the main barriers for entry for new hunters. Where im from in Michigan the hunter numbers are falling but access to hunt private land is getting far more difficult because one guy holds multiple permissions, and the market for leases has gotten huge so a lot of farmers wont give permission for free. When I came up you could go knock on anybody's door and get permission, made learning easy and fun. Hard to get new people started when its a full time job just finding decent access. Seems to be the case here in the west as well just for slightly different reasons. Point creep, loss of nonresident opportunity, loss of resident opportunity, people wonder how it can keep getting worse and worse every year when hunter numbers are about flat or even falling. It's because in age where it seems a lot of guys are motivated by the pursuit of internet fame, they've gotten a heck of a lot more serious about their hunting. This forum is full of guys that put in dozens of apps a year in diff states then turn around and complain about point creep 

If you're wondering why your kid doesnt have the opportunity for a quality hunt, check out the dude posting about his 2nd bull elk this year or 3rd deer.

My kids and i never put in for special hunts,points any of that stuff. 3 years ago my son and i hunted 3 states ,washington,alaska,idaho.All over the counter tags , all public land, as a teenager he killed deer in all 3 states.Any person on this forum could do the same thing if they had the money and wanted to.Every state we had multiple chances to kill bucks. There was more opportunity then a guy could image.
My daughter That year and the following year killed the two biggest whitetails in our camp in idaho her first two years of hunting beating 7 men. There are plenty of places to kill deer it just takes a little work to find those spots that are open to everyone.
What i find also interesting is where we hunt in idaho my two daughters out hike almost every other hunter out there to get there deer.It seems most people don't want to put forth the physical effort to get a animal. There most people just drive the roads or get dropped off and walk from one road down hill to the next road. They have learned that putting in the extra effort sometimes pays off in a deer or a great view of the mountain.

[idaho guy]

Some inter-state coordination on how many game animals one guy gets to shoot in one year seems like a good idea too. Lotta game hogs out there these days hunting 3-4 diff states a year just because they can. Never used to be the case until the internet era. Now that one guy is basically 3-4 guys from a demand standpoint. Of course the supply is going to have trouble keeping up with that. But states dont really have motivation to limit that behavior because it brings in a lot of license revenue. And hunters wont self regulate and not be selfish so that just is what it is.

Not ironically, those same types of guys are the main barriers for entry for new hunters. Where im from in Michigan the hunter numbers are falling but access to hunt private land is getting far more difficult because one guy holds multiple permissions, and the market for leases has gotten huge so a lot of farmers wont give permission for free. When I came up you could go knock on anybody's door and get permission, made learning easy and fun. Hard to get new people started when its a full time job just finding decent access. Seems to be the case here in the west as well just for slightly different reasons. Point creep, loss of nonresident opportunity, loss of resident opportunity, people wonder how it can keep getting worse and worse every year when hunter numbers are about flat or even falling. It's because in age where it seems a lot of guys are motivated by the pursuit of internet fame, they've gotten a heck of a lot more serious about their hunting. This forum is full of guys that put in dozens of apps a year in diff states then turn around and complain about point creep 

If you're wondering why your kid doesnt have the opportunity for a quality hunt, check out the dude posting about his 2nd bull elk this year or 3rd deer.

I get what you're saying, but the window is awfully small where people can actually physically and financially diy Elk Hunt.  Would be criminal to shorten the window even more.   

you get what he's saying? I sure as heck don't. Hunting opportunities are plentiful. If someone isn't taking advantage of that its nobody's fault but their own. Every state (except WA) has quotas on game. Just because some folks are hunting multiple states does not mean that there is unchecked game take.  Point creep only effects someone if they are trying to chase a particular unit or don't know what to apply for. For those who take the time to learn the various systems there are always tags to be had. But then again I'm one of those evil selfish hunters taking opportunities away from children 

 

You greedy sob!  I agree with everything you said especially that there is still a ton of opportunities for those willing to put forth some effort. I actually think I agree with original poster only on draw tags and odds becoming terrible because so many of us put in for multiple states today. It wasn’t like that before. I don’t call it selfish hunters but blame hunting fool eastmans etc and go hunt and google earth! It’s actually made it too easy to figure out out of state hunts. And yes I use them too but it’s ruining a lot of odds and otc areas.Used to be it required knowing the area or at least some people from there. And also a lot of time with boots on the ground.It seems like there is no “secret” spots left and I do blame the internet and technology but not the hunters taking advantage of it.

[sagerat]