2020 Archery Elk....fact or fiction

[fishngamereaper]

It was brought up early by nwhunter but a huge concern for me is how little the "Shutdown" has affected tribal rights.  I thought we where all in this together.

Apparently even during times of a global pandemic the tribes will do as they may.  If this doesn't concern you it should, its the ultimate we do as we please and you have no say in it.   

[vandeman17]

It was brought up early by nwhunter but a huge concern for me is how little the "Shutdown" has affected tribal rights.  I thought we where all in this together.

Apparently even during times of a global pandemic the tribes will do as they may.  If this doesn't concern you it should, its the ultimate we do as we please and you have no say in it. 

All while they petition the federal government for stimulus money/assistance but I digress

[ballpark]

I might be selfish here, but I feel this is a good thing. Archery hunting has become a zoo. Camps with big "Rainier" signs up, rigs running the roads with guys in beds of trucks, people everywhere, etc. 
I am looking forward to having less people in some of the areas I hunt, spikes are not ghosts they are out there in decent numbers, and they grill up just fine for me. 

I do feel it should be spike, not true spike rules though. 

this was my thinking too  spikes are pretty easy to call in.  We used to hunt the Colockum when it was spike only and did just fine.

With that said, the removal of otc cow and the reduction in cow permits is unwarranted in my opinion. WDFW said it themselves, they did not do winter aerial surveys. And their surveys the year before were fake news as well. I can't and won't speak to the Colockum as it's been several years since I hunted that direction but there is no shortage of elk in the Yakima GMU's. Not even in the slightest 

I can submit my survey during late archery east side.  Lots of cows and young calfs, over 70 in one very small section of a game unit, plus mature bachelor group of bulls, oh yeah and cougar.

[trophyhunt]

It was brought up early by nwhunter but a huge concern for me is how little the "Shutdown" has affected tribal rights.  I thought we where all in this together.

Apparently even during times of a global pandemic the tribes will do as they may.  If this doesn't concern you it should, its the ultimate we do as we please and you have no say in it. 

All while they petition the federal government for stimulus money/assistance but I digress

Saw that on the news the other day, un fricken real!!!!  What a damn joke!!

[HillHound]

Huh, solutions?  We are all ears! If what’s happening doesn't piss you off than you’re missing it completely or you’re a saint.  I’m leaning more towards you are more passive than some of us, which is a good thing, don’t take that wrong.  But, I’ll never get past actions that are just plain wrong, no matter how long it goes on it never gets to be numb to me.

Cat jerky isn’t as popular as elk
Many of the folks i have talked to and reply about tribal stuff have not investigated any further than surface level. I'm far from an expert but barking at the Tribal tree accomplishes nothing. I dont even think it makes them feel better. 

The YTC has not been included in the surveys. Why is that?

The Yakimas could run hounds on cats. Has anyone approached the tribe, or tribal members to start cat hunting? Couldnt that do more for everyone?  What about Trapping? I bet they could do that as well.

I dont have the answers to these questions, but focusing on what CAN be done is much better than  over tribal harvest.

[nohea]

Please someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought native harvest treaty rights covered sustenance hunting, not commercial.  If the harvest is being turned in to jerky for sale, doesn't it become an issue of enforcement of a violation of that portion of the treaty?

[trophyhunt]

Please someone correct me if I am wrong, but I thought native harvest treaty rights covered sustenance hunting, not commercial.  If the harvest is being turned in to jerky for sale, doesn't it become an issue of enforcement of a violation of that portion of the treaty?

it is against their own laws, but they don’t enforce it.  Check out Aaron whitefoot on you tube.  That’s all I’ll say so we don’t get waaaaay off track. 

[fishngamereaper]

Where do u guys hunt that you see big camps.. serious question. I literally see maybe two camps within a mile of me and haven't seen another person in the woods for over two years.

[Nwgunner]

I heard from a friend that the commission voted on going to a draw only for archery cow elk hunters.  It sounds like maybe just the colockum heard only but I cannot find anything on it.  Is this fact or fiction??

Fellas this has been propose since what? Early February?  Then we had a couple weeks to comment on said proposals?  If your just now aware of this, after the commission has voted, I say get informed.  The time to complain was during the open comment period.  Nothing will happen now is its as good as done.

[Backstraps]

According to last year's harvest report there were 1,324 archery hunters hunting this unit. Although it is a rather large area(unit). This doesn't count all the Natives that were firing at will all season long! Lol

[ballpark]

I heard from a friend that the commission voted on going to a draw only for archery cow elk hunters.  It sounds like maybe just the colockum heard only but I cannot find anything on it.  Is this fact or fiction??

Fellas this has been propose since what? Early February?  Then we had a couple weeks to comment on said proposals?  If your just now aware of this, after the commission has voted, I say get informed.  The time to complain was during the open comment period.  Nothing will happen now is its as good as done.

We all have been a little distracted managing our jobs & life for the last couple months, it slipped by most of us.  How convenient. 

[fishngamereaper]

I heard from a friend that the commission voted on going to a draw only for archery cow elk hunters.  It sounds like maybe just the colockum heard only but I cannot find anything on it.  Is this fact or fiction??

Fellas this has been propose since what? Early February?  Then we had a couple weeks to comment on said proposals?  If your just now aware of this, after the commission has voted, I say get informed.  The time to complain was during the open comment period.  Nothing will happen now is its as good as done.

I sent in my concerns, even offered to count elk for them in the Yak herd...they don't care. They made up their minds long ago.

[Bango skank]

But the herd numbers aren't down...and I would put money on that.

And archery guys kill very few cow's comparatively.  Success is still single digits. And if you see the numbers of tags they are going to offer it's still enough tags to have similar harvest numbers..

Nailed It!!!   

$6.50 x 5000 people....conservatively is $32,500.  That seems like a sizeable amount of money to me.  Especially when paired with all the other draws that offer almost no chance given our screwed up point system.  To top it all off.....they take away any opportunity for youth.  Tell me our WDFW gives two craps about our hunting heritage. 

You want to see the numbers explode in that unit....bring back hound hunting cats, kill the wolves, stop the natives from shooting all the big bulls and open up a spring bear season.  Butttttt wait, these are very unpopular, taboo, things to discuss.  This is the reason I don't respond to their open comments.....because they don't give a SHATTTT about the real reasons numbers are down......if they even are.

So you do realize that the only one of those things wdfw can do is the bear, right?  I mean maybe they could legally go against the state wolf plan, but theyd get the living *censored* sued out of them.  The hound hunting and tribal stuff is completely out of their control.  Youre throwing a tantrum about stuff that wdfw cant do anything about.

And then you flat out admit that you dont even participate in the public input process.  Maybe you shouldnt be bitching then.    You say the reason you dont participate is because they dont care, but lets be honest, you had no idea this was even happening.  People say wdfw doesnt listen, its a waste of time to comment..  that kind of defeatist attitude is self fulfilling prophesy.  They dont listen to us because we dont have much of a voice, because nobody ever speaks up.  So very few hunters ever comment on anything that our voice is small and easily ignored.  If we wont step up and tell them what we want, were certainly not going to get it.  If you refuse to "waste your time" participating in or even paying attention to the rule making, you have no right to complain.

[Special T]

But the herd numbers aren't down...and I would put money on that.

And archery guys kill very few cow's comparatively.  Success is still single digits. And if you see the numbers of tags they are going to offer it's still enough tags to have similar harvest numbers..

Nailed It!!!   

$6.50 x 5000 people....conservatively is $32,500.  That seems like a sizeable amount of money to me.  Especially when paired with all the other draws that offer almost no chance given our screwed up point system.  To top it all off.....they take away any opportunity for youth.  Tell me our WDFW gives two craps about our hunting heritage. 

You want to see the numbers explode in that unit....bring back hound hunting cats, kill the wolves, stop the natives from shooting all the big bulls and open up a spring bear season.  Butttttt wait, these are very unpopular, taboo, things to discuss.  This is the reason I don't respond to their open comments.....because they don't give a SHATTTT about the real reasons numbers are down......if they even are.

So you do realize that the only one of those things wdfw can do is the bear, right?  I mean maybe they could legally go against the state wolf plan, but theyd get the living *censored* sued out of them.  The hound hunting and tribal stuff is completely out of their control.  Youre throwing a tantrum about stuff that wdfw cant do anything about.

And then you flat out admit that you dont even participate in the public input process.  Maybe you shouldnt be bitching then.

 

[Bango skank]

You said yourself you had no idea this was happening, you also said you dont bother contributing to the public input proccess.

Yeah, im a troll for trying to encourage hunters to get involved and speak up.  Okay.

Keep throwing your temper tantrum.

And no, wdfw has no control over stopping tribal harvest or reinstating hound hunting.

And our director actually did stand up to inslee regarding lethal wolf removals.