Quality elk tag numbers

[Tbar]

Get rid of special tribal harvest. Treat everyone as equal.

not possible

Judge Boldts wife was a native. How is that not bias!?

i don't know who that is or how that's relevant?

If you don’t know the Boldt decision you should read up.  A good history lesson.  A very bad day for WA non-native sportspersons.


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News flash to all of you historians, Boldt is a fishing specific decision.

[dreamingbig]

Get rid of special tribal harvest. Treat everyone as equal.

not possible

Judge Boldts wife was a native. How is that not bias!?

i don't know who that is or how that's relevant?

If you don’t know the Boldt decision you should read up.  A good history lesson.  A very bad day for WA non-native sportspersons.


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News flash to all of you historians, Boldt is a fishing specific decision.

I didn’t specify hunting vs fishing and all I said was read about it.  Look you are on the good side.  I would like to be on the good side too.  Instead I was born in this state and get to pay a bunch of money into a resource that I don’t get to share in equally.  It bums me out.


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[Tbar]

Boldt had absolutely nothing to do with hunting rights.  I would venture to say by legal standards tribes are more constricted now than in 1973.

[dreamingbig]

Established precedent.




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[trophyhunt]

I’d say that includes hunting! 

[Onewhohikes]

Of coarse the Tribes attorney is going to say that

[dreamingbig]

It is just on example.  So many cases and rulings have used the 1979 Supreme Court upholding of the 1974 Boldt decision as precedent for other native american’s rights cases.  If you don’t think it impacted hunting rights well then I think you are missing the role it has played.


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[Skyvalhunter]

What role was that?

[dreamingbig]

What role was that?

I give up.  Back to quality tags and the fact that we don’t have many any more.

Unfortunately the situation is not going to change.

OTC is basically gone.  They should just punt to 💯 draw.


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[Slamadoo]

I hope they never punt to draw only. I for one would never support that and I would fight tooth and nail to retain our general seasons. Some would argue that making the situation so bad that hunters quit, or become agreeable to a draw only system is part of the larger strategy. Divide and conquer.

I am not trying to peddle conspiracy theories here, I am just saying that I highly value our general seasons and my ability to go out every year. If sportsmen think it is difficult to recruit new hunters now, I don't see moving to a draw only system as helping that. Also, even if we went draw only to try and revive our herds or to increase hunter success, that isn't going to prevent other user groups from continuing to abuse the resource or take advantage of whatever surplus game is created by the draw only.

Back to quality permit numbers. They suck. It sucks. The situation sucks. Quality permit numbers aren't the only reason I hunt though.

[sagerat]

I hope they never punt to draw only. I for one would never support that and I would fight tooth and nail to retain our general seasons. Some would argue that making the situation so bad that hunters quit, or become agreeable to a draw only system is part of the larger strategy. Divide and conquer.

I am not trying to peddle conspiracy theories here, I am just saying that I highly value our general seasons and my ability to go out every year. If sportsmen think it is difficult to recruit new hunters now, I don't see moving to a draw only system as helping that. Also, even if we went draw only to try and revive our herds or to increase hunter success, that isn't going to prevent other user groups from continuing to abuse the resource or take advantage of whatever surplus game is created by the draw only.

Back to quality permit numbers. They suck. It sucks. The situation sucks. Quality permit numbers aren't the only reason I hunt though.

I agree, permit only is Not the answer

[BoomWhop]

Boy it really hit home putting in for permits last night....Ouch Elk have joined Sheep, Moose etc. Most likely not in your lifetime.  Why would anyone with less than 10 points put in other than just for the fun of dreaming. I guess the move is to hunt the NE corner or Wet side for branched antlered.  I wonder how the hunting pressure is going to increase as people give up on the quality permits.

[vandeman17]

Boy it really hit home putting in for permits last night....Ouch Elk have joined Sheep, Moose etc. Most likely not in your lifetime.  Why would anyone with less than 10 points put in other than just for the fun of dreaming. I guess the move is to hunt the NE corner or Wet side for branched antlered.  I wonder how the hunting pressure is going to increase as people give up on the quality permits.

Its all a lottery with super low odds irregardless of if you have 2 points or 20 points. 

[Stein]

The brilliance of the points system is that it keeps people hooked.  We feel like we have an investment and our odds go up every year as our points increase.  It's the same thing that keeps people betting at the casino and putting money on black since the last three have been red and it's "due" to hit.

[Dan-o]

Boy it really hit home putting in for permits last night....Ouch Elk have joined Sheep, Moose etc. Most likely not in your lifetime.  Why would anyone with less than 10 points put in other than just for the fun of dreaming. I guess the move is to hunt the NE corner or Wet side for branched antlered.  I wonder how the hunting pressure is going to increase as people give up on the quality permits.

Totally agree.   

It was only a handful of years ago when you had a decent chance to draw a bull permit with a handful of points.   Now it's basically an OIL.