WA Rep. Robert Sutherland's comments about fish and wildlife officers

[Jingles]

I don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!![/color]...  It would appear you are just cherry picking what you want to hear to make your case.   Hence the problem I have with WDFW officers. 

Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive.  No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap.   

I will partially agree with you on your comment however I will not support or back up any LEO when they are  abusing their power/ authority, or when they are enforcing laws that should not even be law. Also it does not surprise me that another poster was guilty until proven innocent with todays LEO society. They are not the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago hell they aren't even the same as they were 10 years ago, now we have a bunch of egotistical kids that because they have a badge and a gun they think they are all powerful and can do no wrong and no one knows better than they do. The Leo's that don't have that attitude are either stuck in the office or retiring faster than toilet paper flies off the shelf.

[nwmein199]

Up here in the Skagit Valley a farmer was being ignored by the department  concerning his problems with elk. So he shot one in his feild. He called the local warden. The told him what he did and for the officer to come write him a citation because he wanted to go to court.  The warden choosing discression came out and issued the farmer a damage tag. And said not to do it again. The farmer was angry and told him something to the effect that he had enough beef, he wanted to go to court. The officer left. The next time the elk were In his feild he shot another and called the warden and repeated his demand.

This old boy had the stones. He knew what he had to do and how to handle the situation. If you want to press this situation  go get cited for fishing in fron of a bunch of witnesses and do it right.  Everyone is mad at the stupid rules and I get it. Getting cited in a mass show of defiance  that is well documented would do more than playing gunman with the cops.

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I'm not going to draw assumptions on how people interpreted what was said....but do you think it was meant literally??  Really??  It is like the press and anti Trumpers saying that "injecting or ingesting" cleaning chemicals to fight covid was meant "literally". 

I guess if your dumb enough to inject lysol into your veins....you deserve the consequences.  If you confront an officer with force....you deserve the consequences. 

Though inappropriate....I don't believe the statements made were literal.  doesn't make them any less wrong....but pegasus is right.....UCWarden is making a mountain out of a molehill.  IN MY OPINION.

I agree. He was “ blowing off steam “. He was expressing his frustration at what is going on. He should have been more careful about how he went about it. He did walk it back, so accept his correction of what he said.

I want to make sure I got this right: only take politicians words literally when it's good for you/them/your cause but if it is bad, then dont take the politicians words literal...got ya

[Pegasus]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

[jrebel]

Up here in the Skagit Valley a farmer was being ignored by the department  concerning his problems with elk. So he shot one in his feild. He called the local warden. The told him what he did and for the officer to come write him a citation because he wanted to go to court.  The warden choosing discression came out and issued the farmer a damage tag. And said not to do it again. The farmer was angry and told him something to the effect that he had enough beef, he wanted to go to court. The officer left. The next time the elk were In his feild he shot another and called the warden and repeated his demand.

This old boy had the stones. He knew what he had to do and how to handle the situation. If you want to press this situation  go get cited for fishing in fron of a bunch of witnesses and do it right.  Everyone is mad at the stupid rules and I get it. Getting cited in a mass show of defiance  that is well documented would do more than playing gunman with the cops.

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I'm not going to draw assumptions on how people interpreted what was said....but do you think it was meant literally??  Really??  It is like the press and anti Trumpers saying that "injecting or ingesting" cleaning chemicals to fight covid was meant "literally". 

I guess if your dumb enough to inject lysol into your veins....you deserve the consequences.  If you confront an officer with force....you deserve the consequences. 

Though inappropriate....I don't believe the statements made were literal.  doesn't make them any less wrong....but pegasus is right.....UCWarden is making a mountain out of a molehill.  IN MY OPINION.

I agree. He was “ blowing off steam “. He was expressing his frustration at what is going on. He should have been more careful about how he went about it. He did walk it back, so accept his correction of what he said.

I want to make sure I got this right: only take politicians words literally when it's good for you/them/your cause but if it is bad, then dont take the politicians words literal...got ya

No....just use a little common sense.  If you dumb enough to think you should draw a firearm or weapon on an officer enforcing a fishing violation....HERE'S YOUR SIGN!!!  Have you ever heard of a figure of speech .....  or a person blowing off steam .... or saying things he likely wishes he didn't say but did in a fit of anger ....  Clearly it wasn't taken to heart by his followers, I haven't heard of any active shootings on the waterways!!! 

And for what it is worth....if you take any politicians words literal.....you are a fool!!!  They are all full of shat.   

[Igor]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

Wait a minute.  Let me get this straight.  Thousands of protestors gathered outside the state Capitol and "the media and Jay" have made this a political rally?

[Pegasus]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

Wait a minute.  Let me get this straight.  Thousands of protestors gathered outside the state Capitol and "the media and Jay" have made this a political rally?

Was not a political rally. Everyone that wanted to open fishing and hunting was welcome. Jay Inslee declared it to be "rebellion" and blamed Trump. The media,of course, was happy to join with him over his nonsense. That's what has made this political.

[ucwarden]

I don't support under any circumstance confrontation with officers or breaking the law!!![/color]...  It would appear you are just cherry picking what you want to hear to make your case.   Hence the problem I have with WDFW officers. 

Any LEO that knows me, knows I am on their side and behind them 100%.......so to make that assumption and comment on it based on what was typed is pretty egregious and offensive.  No wonder why WDFW gets such a bad rap.   

I will partially agree with you on your comment however I will not support or back up any LEO when they are  abusing their power/ authority, or when they are enforcing laws that should not even be law. Also it does not surprise me that another poster was guilty until proven innocent with todays LEO society. They are not the same as they were 30 or 40 years ago hell they aren't even the same as they were 10 years ago, now we have a bunch of egotistical kids that because they have a badge and a gun they think they are all powerful and can do no wrong and no one knows better than they do. The Leo's that don't have that attitude are either stuck in the office or retiring faster than toilet paper flies off the shelf.

Jingles:
I hope when you are saying you would not back up any LEO under the circumstances you list, you do not mean back up as in helping out an officer you come across in a physical confrontation with a suspect.  The problem with your philosophy on providing backup only to those LEOs who you feel are correctly applying their enforcement powers on laws you deem to be worthy of enforcement, is how would you know when you roll up on the scene?  You have all the right on earth to state you opinions, or even disdain for LEOs, but I genuinely hope you do not mean you wouldn't help an officer in need of assistance in a physical confrontation.

[nwmein199]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee

[nwmein199]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

Wait a minute.  Let me get this straight.  Thousands of protestors gathered outside the state Capitol and "the media and Jay" have made this a political rally?

Was not a political rally. Everyone that wanted to open fishing and hunting was welcome. Jay Inslee declared it to be "rebellion" and blamed Trump. The media,of course, was happy to join with him over his nonsense. That's what has made this political.

It was not a political "rally" it was a political "gathering" get it straight! Geez 

[ucwarden]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee

Well said.  Thanks

[Igor]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee

Well said.  Thanks

Any publicly elected official who chooses to call sworn officers "goons with guns" and promises a "revolution" deserves to be held to answer for his statements.  To "backtrack" and say that he meant "a revolution of love" is totally insufficient and insincere.

[Alchase]

This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.

The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously? 
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. 

Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"

Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands.

I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass! 
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal. 

Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.

 

[Special T]

This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.

The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously? 
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. 

Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"

Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands.

I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass! 
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal. 

Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.

 

Well said.

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[Pegasus]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee

Well said.  Thanks

WDFW LEO's are public employees. They have .gov emails and phones. Not saying to do this. Just saying we don't do it out of common sense and respect. The OP has crossed the line with his personal vendetta against an individual. There is no difference. If he wants to write the individual personally and give his two cents he is welcome to do it. Trying to wrangle a bunch of negative emails from a public forum when he knows the real issues surround hunting and fishing and the WDFW's lack of balls to satisfy his own ego is out of line.

[hunter399]

Even though I support the enforcement side of WDFW ,and respect them much higher then most WDFW employees.And would like to see more enforcement ,more funding,ECT put in that direction.Each warden I've had direct contact was a pleasure to talk too.I will not send a email.If wardens want my full support don't enforce the garbage inslee has set the stage for.This Sutherland I will support and any other elected officials that stand up for hunting/fishing privileges in this state.End of story.