WA Rep. Robert Sutherland's comments about fish and wildlife officers

[Pegasus]

This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.

The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously? 
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. 

Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"

Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands.

I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass! 
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal. 

Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.

 

My point exactly. Sutherland is the straw man.

[nwmein199]

This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.

The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously? 
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. 

Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"

Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands.

I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass! 
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal. 

Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.

 

My point exactly. Sutherland is the straw man.

Inslee and Sutherland are working together to distract hunters and fishers 

[bigtex]

This crap just pi$$3s me off!
The irresponsible comments from Sutherland, now have everyone from the Governor to all of you in this thread either deflecting or attacking the wrong people, while Nero continues his fiddle in the governors mansion.

The issue is your Governor having total disregard for people who are not his voter base. Do you not think for one minute that the *censored* in the governor's office does not know the vast majority of Hunters and Fisherman do not support him? Seriously? 
He has never shown one lick of concern for Hunters and Fisherman. 

Now because of Sutherland's statements, he can point and say "see. This is what we are dealing with"

Quit getting distracted, you are playing right into Inslee's hands.

I honestly think the single best thing you all could do is go fishing en mass! 
An orderly respectful (to LEOs) protest and ensure the press is involved.
Have a coordinated response
"Inslee only cares for his base, and taxes (hense pot stores) and we are tired of it"
You know how all the prosecutors are hesitant to charge anyone for poaching and fishing violations. Well flood their courtrooms, force them to prove Inslee's close was legal. 

Above all quit letting yourselves get divided by one persons ridiculous statements that only serve this to Inslee on a platter.

 

My point exactly. Sutherland is the straw man.

Inslee and Sutherland are working together to distract hunters and fishers 

[bigtex]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee

Well said.  Thanks

WDFW LEO's are public employees. They have .gov emails and phones. Not saying to do this. Just saying we don't do it out of common sense and respect. The OP has crossed the line with his personal vendetta against an individual. There is no difference. If he wants to write the individual personally and give his two cents he is welcome to do it. Trying to wrangle a bunch of negative emails from a public forum when he knows the real issues surround hunting and fishing and the WDFW's lack of balls to satisfy his own ego is out of line.

The fact that you think this is a vendetta is beyond saddening. Let's just be honest here, you're mad UC is attacking a republican, plain and simple. In fact you even allude to it in your second post "This is a political agenda against a Republican" So apparently in your world republicans can do and say whatever they want? Interesting. I have a feeling you wouldn't have a problem with UC if Sutherland was a Democrat.

Also p.s. there is no such thing as the "WA Congress"

[ucwarden]

Maybe we should post the names of all of the bad WDFW employees that we have run across with their email  and address like the OP did? We don't do that and neither should the OP. The media and Jay have made this rally a political one and the OP has fallen right into their trap.

He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee

Well said.  Thanks

WDFW LEO's are public employees. They have .gov emails and phones. Not saying to do this. Just saying we don't do it out of common sense and respect. The OP has crossed the line with his personal vendetta against an individual. There is no difference. If he wants to write the individual personally and give his two cents he is welcome to do it. Trying to wrangle a bunch of negative emails from a public forum when he knows the real issues surround hunting and fishing and the WDFW's lack of balls to satisfy his own ego is out of line.

The fact that you think this is a vendetta is beyond saddening. Let's just be honest here, you're mad UC is attacking a republican, plain and simple. In fact you even allude to it in your second post "This is a political agenda against a Republican" So apparently in your world republicans can do and say whatever they want? Interesting. I have a feeling you wouldn't have a problem with UC if Sutherland was a Democrat.

Also p.s. there is no such thing as the "WA Congress"

Thanks for jumping in BigTex, and I agree with your post 100%.  It is always interesting to hear multiple different opinions on a subject, but I have to admit some of the responses have been a bit shocking to me.  The posts on this subject range from complete support to WDFW officers to what seems like bitter, hostile attitudes against those same officers, and myself.  Perhaps my message has been lost in all of this debate about the shut-down, but I am not attacking a Republican or Democrat.  I am defending the WDFW officers, many of whom are my good friends, against reckless and irresponsible comments which included language which can be interpreted by some to mean they should actively resist enforcement efforts made by those officers.  I am certainly not asking for support of WDFW officers to, in some way, "satisfy my own ego", and I don't even understand how my words on this thread could in anyway benefit me personally or "satisfy my ego", as this is not about me at all.  I am simply standing up for what I believe is right, against what I feel is wrong. 

I also find it ironic that one individual on here talks about "WDFW's lack of balls", when I would be willing to bet he (and others) have never lifted a finger to work towards rectifying what he perceives as the problems with WDFW, other than to gripe on here.  The bottom line is that threats, name calling, and derogatory statements never help to convince the other side of your point.  For those of you who don't like the way things are going in state (or any other) governmental operations, start by expressing your opinions to those who actually have the authority to make changes.  Write letters, attend meeting, ask to schedule personal face-to-face (or by phone) discussions with those in control.  But to sit back and complain to a group of like-minded people, doesn't accomplish anything. 

I am not a fan of "anonymous statements", which is one downside of these forums.  Because people are using screen names, we never know who we are really talking to, which I think adds to the willingness of some to make ridiculous statements.  All of you know my name, and my phone number, and I have offered to have this discussion (or any other) with anyone, but for some reason nobody has ever taken me up on it. 

One of the greatest benefits of being a fish and wildlife officer is being able to meet so many people who are enjoying the outdoors as much as I do.  I have contacted thousands of sportsmen and women, and the vast majority are great people who were supportive and thankful for the work we do, but when people can hide behind a screen name, some become a whole different beast.

I do sincerely respect everyone's right to free speech, including Rep. Sutherland's, until it gets to the point of even potentially inciting resistance and/or violence against law enforcement.       

[Igor]

I realize that people who post here have their reasons for their beliefs, be they political reasons or something else.  The puzzling part of this entire discussion, for me, is how willing people are to give Rep. Sutherland a "Mullligan" for his "goons with guns" statement.  If he is willing to call sworn officers "goons" in a public setting, you can be sure that is his opinion of law enforcement in general.  The fact that he identifies as a Republican is beside the point.  Politics aside, in my mind he has no business holding the office that he does.  Trying to put the blame for his shortcomings on Gov. Inslee is total horse puckey.

[bigtex]

I realize that people who post here have their reasons for their beliefs, be they political reasons or something else.  The puzzling part of this entire discussion, for me, is how willing people are to give Rep. Sutherland a "Mullligan" for his "goons with guns" statement.  If he is willing to call sworn officers "goons" in a public setting, you can be sure that is his opinion of law enforcement in general.  The fact that he identifies as a Republican is beside the point.  Politics aside, in my mind he has no business holding the office that he does.  Trying to put the blame for his shortcomings on Gov. Inslee is total horse puckey.

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[Alchase]

I realize that people who post here have their reasons for their beliefs, be they political reasons or something else.  The puzzling part of this entire discussion, for me, is how willing people are to give Rep. Sutherland a "Mullligan" for his "goons with guns" statement.  If he is willing to call sworn officers "goons" in a public setting, you can be sure that is his opinion of law enforcement in general.  The fact that he identifies as a Republican is beside the point.  Politics aside, in my mind he has no business holding the office that he does.  Trying to put the blame for his shortcomings on Gov. Inslee is total horse puckey.

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Totally agree with that statement. Sutherland's idiocy just played right into Inslee's hands.
And now has us eating our own.

 

[SGTDuffman]

“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”

It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.

http://Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx

I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.

All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.

[Pegasus]

“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”

It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.

http://Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx

I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.

All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.

I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.

Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous  board, go complain elsewhere.

[jrebel]

“ He posted public information about a publicly elected official. That's WAY different than posting home address and cell phone number is a random WDFW employee”

It’s not. WDFW employees are also public officials. You won’t post their home address because that’s not public information. Their name, position, work email/phone/address are. You can look up anyone who was paid off of public funds. As an example.

http://Http://fiscal.wa.gov/salaries.aspx

I generally support LEOs and have a lot of friends who went that route after the service. My biggest complaint would be how the good LEOs don’t police the bad LEOs. Good guys know who bad guys or people on power trips are. This seems to be a far bigger problem than the actual number of bad LEOs. Too many people being “loyal” for bad LEOs just because they’re a brother in blue. No one wants to end up like Serpico (the actual guy not the movie). You’d be amazed what people are willing to overlook because they may personally like someone or they’re just biding their time to collect a check, and that’s true across all industries. Let alone one where you might not get backup when you need it for “crossing the thin blue line”.

All of that said, I haven’t had any bad interactions with anyone from WDFW enforcement, or any other LEO, and wouldn’t seriously advocate violence against them, or any one else, for any reason. A lot of the treatment you’d get from LEOs will stem directly from how at ease you can make them during any interaction.

I already posted that but it was twisted by one of the WDFW reps here. What if we had posted Bigtex's .gov address? Oh my. But we did not and we won't post an individual's email, or phone. They have tried to twist everything that I have posted to support their agenda. They are also twisting another's words here. They need to get off their bully pulpit and stop trying to rally this public forum to do their bidding to harass an individual they want as their victim.

Only one post here so far has agreed with Sutherland. The rest, including me, have disavowed his words which he already had retracted. They are doing nothing to to enhance the reputation of the WDFW which is in dire need of repair. Instead they continue that outsiders are not part of the "Club" that can really know what is going on at the WDFW. We have to only believe them. One complains that we are posting anonymous here. What an amazing revelation. Funny after not posting here for ages he scurries to this anonymous board to get anonymous posters to do his bidding and harass an individual when he should be harassing Jay and the top of the WDFW to open hunting and fishing. The attitude that you would not be so tuff if I knew who you are is the attitude that gives law enforcement a bad name. It's an anonymous  board, go complain elsewhere.

Well said, thank you!!  I had a long drawn out post ready to share and illustrate UCWardens manipulation of my post to further his cause.  I deleted when I figure there was nothing to gain.  I ask myself the same question.....why did UCwarden come back after a very long hiatus to do nothing but stir the pot?  He ridicules sportsman for being internet tough guys ..... yet he is doing the same.  He ridicules sportsmen for not doing anything to help the sport.....when he doesn't know anything about these "anonymous" people.....and the list goes on. 

I applaud you for having strong ties to LEO and wanting to back them, but your message is lost when you attack sportsman's opinions and twist their words to make you point....push your agenda.  You sir have proven to be the poster child of WDFW with this post.  This is the exact reason people have lost faith in WDFW.   

[Tbar]

Back to the topic of Sutherland.  What if he was referencing the local sheriff (outside of Snohomish county) as armed goons? Or pd? Or other LEO? You guys are deflecting the issue and attacking the WDFW,  take them out of the equation. Sutherlands comments were flat out wrong and all of those who openly discount them as benign underestimate the power of a few irrational thinkers and their empowerment to change things in a hurry.  I  have NEVER seen Sutherland advocate for sportsman or outdoors, actually quite the opposite.  He got caught up in a look at me ego stroking moment and should be held accountable. Eslick (also 39th) on ther other hand has on multiple times showed leadershipand that she cares.

[ucwarden]

jrebel and Pegasus:

I no not want to continue this bantering back and forth, but I would like you to explain how you believe I have twisted or manipulated anyone's words on here.  I simply asked for support for the WDFW officers, in standing up to some horrible comments made by an elected official.  If anyone thinks I was in any way attacking the honest sportsmen on this forum, I don't understand how you arrived at that conclusion, and would welcome your explanation.  I would ask both of you to respond to me by private message or by phone call, as I doubt the other forum members are finding this conversation to be all that valuable.

As far as my comments on anonymously posting; In no way did I say "you not being so tuff if I knew who you are", but rather I was simply stating my opinion on anonymous statements in general.  I feel people become much more aggressive and rude (and often less truthful) when nobody knows their true identity.  I have always been one who believes in looking an opponent square in the eyes and saying things to one's face.

There is absolutely no way I can convince either of you to agree with my line of thought, so I will not continue to respond to either of you on here.  I do want to say one more thing, that while you two are judging me for being gone from the forum for so long, once again you are talking about something you know nothing about.  Did it ever occur to you that I had a reason for being gone for so long?

Take care gentlemen, and I do hope to hear from you in a less public, and more courteous manner.     
   

[ucwarden]

Back to the topic of Sutherland.  What if he was referencing the local sheriff (outside of Snohomish county) as armed goons? Or pd? Or other LEO? You guys are deflecting the issue and attacking the WDFW,  take them out of the equation. Sutherlands comments were flat out wrong and all of those who openly discount them as benign underestimate the power of a few irrational thinkers and their empowerment to change things in a hurry.  I  have NEVER seen Sutherland advocate for sportsman or outdoors, actually quite the opposite.  He got caught up in a look at me ego stroking moment and should be held accountable. Eslick (also 39th) on ther other hand has on multiple times showed leadershipand that she cares.

Thanks for the articulate and polite message.  Well said.

[Special T]

One of the criticisms this forum receives is that it is a lot of complaining and not enough thoughtful action or discussion.

If you want to promote breaking the law, or forcing confrontation you had better think it through carefully.

How many of you think the Bundy or Hammonds events were well planned out? Do you think they could have been much better if they had? I do.

 When the Anti Gun/hunting crowd rally, the have buses, coordinated shirts, unified concise messaging. While we disagree with what they are saying they execute much better than we do.

Sportsmen had better start figuring out how to play the game. There are plenty of lessons to learn from the Anti crowd. We dont have to do it the same way they do,  but we had better start paying attention.



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