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Offline Goshawk

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A Personal Favor
« on: May 07, 2020, 09:43:49 PM »
I have a personal favor to ask of you all.
Before dropping your hard earned coin on another "made in China" optic make the effort to see if it can be bought from either the USA or at least a nation that does not make a goal out destroying our economy.  In other words, support those manufactures who support you and your neighbors.

And yes, I've just about had it with otherwise proud American Shooters boasting of saving $25 dollars by buying made in China crap, then wondering if I can fix it for them after it fogs up or no longer holds a focus.

By once and be proud of your purchase.

End of made in the USA commercial,
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2020, 10:11:06 PM »
 :yeah: :tup:

What are all the USA made optics?
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2020, 10:40:01 PM »
we need to bring a lot of this stuff back to America,First step is getting the younger generation into the right schools to learn the right trades to bring the manufacturing jobs back to America.

Machine tech. is 1 big one.  :tup:
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2020, 10:49:41 PM »
we need to bring a lot of this stuff back to America,First step is getting the younger generation into the right schools to learn the right trades to bring the manufacturing jobs back to America.

Machine tech. is 1 big one.  :tup:
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2020, 08:39:38 AM »
The good news is that corporations are fleeing China  like rats off a sinking ship. The reliability of production and shipping are gone. More thing will be made in the USA, but many of the things made in China will move to Mexico.

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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2020, 08:46:58 AM »
Not to many optics that are 100 percent US made. Especially the glass.  But a guy could get pretty close with a few brands.

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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #6 on: May 08, 2020, 08:50:27 AM »
let's list some!   I'm 100% committed to not buying Chinese product if at all possible, I'd rather do without than buy that crap. 
I try to find product that has zero ties to China. 

https://mavenbuilt.com/

Here's a company I don't know much about but am interested to hear some reviews

edit:  So I called them, the premium line is Japanese glass and assembled in the USA.   The cheaper stuff has some Chinese components (C series and RS series)
They offer 10% off for Mil/LE if you call and send proof to customer service.

They went down a notch in my interest level, there's other companies with Japanese glass too...probably the same exact lenses from the same exact factory but with 40-50% off for mil/le. 

« Last Edit: May 08, 2020, 09:12:44 AM by KFhunter »

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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #7 on: May 08, 2020, 08:53:42 AM »
Lot of the top end optics companies are european. As for rifle scopes,  lot of these companies need to start making scopes that people actually want and at a price point that matches the quality  :twocents:
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2020, 09:16:47 AM »
Not to many optics that are 100 percent US made. Especially the glass.  But a guy could get pretty close with a few brands.

Maven was suppose to be 100% USA, and I found several articles stating such.   

I just called them like 5 minutes ago,  they are not 100% USA.   


The premium lines are Japan glass, assembled in the US with US parts. <--(I can live with that, about as close as you can get to USA made)
even so it sounds like they are assembled in California and probably with imported MX laborers ??   

The C series and RS series has some chinese components and less than premium glass. 


So at this point, I am unaware of any optic that is 100% USA made. 
« Last Edit: May 08, 2020, 09:35:02 AM by KFhunter »

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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2020, 09:47:51 AM »
From the Leupold Site.

"Leupold riflescopes are all designed, machined, and assembled in our Beaverton Oregon manufacturing facility. We do not have any other riflescope manufacturing facilities or offices anywhere in the world."
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2020, 09:50:28 AM »
Not to many optics that are 100 percent US made. Especially the glass.  But a guy could get pretty close with a few brands.

Maven was suppose to be 100% USA, and I found several articles stating such.   

I just called them like 5 minutes ago,  they are not 100% USA.   


The premium lines are Japan glass, assembled in the US with US parts. <--(I can live with that, about as close as you can get to USA made)
even so it sounds like they are assembled in California and probably with imported MX laborers ??   

The C series and RS series has some chinese components and less than premium glass. 


So at this point, I am unaware of any optic that is 100% USA made.

I'll take any scope that has it's glass ground in Japan, Germany or another friendly country so long as the rest of it is done here. From my Machinist Days, I know Japan understands quality control. Ditto Germany and a few other non iron curtain countries. 
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2020, 10:10:41 AM »
From the Leupold Site.

"Leupold riflescopes are all designed, machined, and assembled in our Beaverton Oregon manufacturing facility. We do not have any other riflescope manufacturing facilities or offices anywhere in the world."

Also from the Leupold site:

Where does Leupold get its glass?
At this time, there are no American manufacturers that can supply enough high quality lenses to support our Golden Ring Optics production. Our lens systems are designed at Leupold, by American optical engineers, in our state-of -the-art optics labs. The glass is then procured from vendors who must meet stringent quality standards. Incoming parts are carefully inspected in our testing facility before they are accepted into the build process.

All major optics producers acquire some or all of their glass from the same sources as Leupold. Some of these sources are located domestically, some are European, and some are Asian. The source of the base material is not nearly as important as the optical design. Our glass is so much clearer due to our proprietary lens coatings, how we engineer the prescription of the lenses, and the construction of the optic itself.


I bet someone could do very well in the US if they opened a lens making factory that's on par, or exceeds, foreign manufacturers. 

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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #13 on: May 14, 2020, 08:49:52 PM »
From the Leupold Site.

"Leupold riflescopes are all designed, machined, and assembled in our Beaverton Oregon manufacturing facility. We do not have any other riflescope manufacturing facilities or offices anywhere in the world."

Also from the Leupold site:

Where does Leupold get its glass?
At this time, there are no American manufacturers that can supply enough high quality lenses to support our Golden Ring Optics production. Our lens systems are designed at Leupold, by American optical engineers, in our state-of -the-art optics labs. The glass is then procured from vendors who must meet stringent quality standards. Incoming parts are carefully inspected in our testing facility before they are accepted into the build process.

All major optics producers acquire some or all of their glass from the same sources as Leupold. Some of these sources are located domestically, some are European, and some are Asian. The source of the base material is not nearly as important as the optical design. Our glass is so much clearer due to our proprietary lens coatings, how we engineer the prescription of the lenses, and the construction of the optic itself.


I bet someone could do very well in the US if they opened a lens making factory that's on par, or exceeds, foreign manufacturers.

It's very sophisticated CNC equipment which is what Japan does a great job while China is such a hit and mostly miss experience.   I agree, it would be a kick to get into something like that for a starter business.  Anyone here with enough coin want to try? I'd kick in to the effort.
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Re: A Personal Favor
« Reply #14 on: May 14, 2020, 09:13:37 PM »
Not optic related, I just ordered a S&W 929 all USA made. I will be adding a Red-dot at some time.
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