What Elk Management Change Proposals do you Support

[Karl Blanchard]

Tried googling you Jacob. You the guy on youtube with the glasses?

[Buckjunkie]

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but weare screwed guys. This is a no win situation. Unless the Boldt decision and the initiatives in the mid 90’s banning hound hunting and trapping can be reversed, there will always be too many big game animals harvested by humans and predators to ever have hunting seasons with good success rates.

[huntnphool]

Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but weare screwed guys. This is a no win situation. Unless the Boldt decision and the initiatives in the mid 90’s banning hound hunting and trapping can be reversed, there will always be too many big game animals harvested by humans and predators to ever have hunting seasons with good success rates.

 Replace Inslee

[villajac29]

Tried googling you Jacob. You the guy on youtube with the glasses?

I am on youtube and I have glasses so probably
This is me after 8 days in the wilderness

[trophyhunt]

So your Jacob!!  Heard a bit about you, your the lucky guy who draws permits every year!! Talked to a buddy of yours last week, Drew,spring bear hunting, no wonder you want draw only, you draw! Lol.

[Karl Blanchard]

Wasn't he the guy who got called out on here a while back for messing with other peoples trail cams also 

[carlyoungs]

I have seen him on the you tube channel *censored* also.

[villajac29]

It's also near impossible to draw a tag in NV. They have more draw tags because that's all they have. The two states are on vastly different scales.

Another thing to consider when rolling tmaround the ideas of increasing branch bull harvest 10 fold is loss of age class and trophy quality which is primarily why we all want to hunt branch bulls in the first place. I can remember pre spike only and a 4yo 5 point was considered a whopper. Now we have some of the best top end bulls in the entire world.  We open that up to 3pt or better or similar and that's all gone within 3 seasons.

Like I said before, I think we are mostly on the same page here, I just want to see more wdfw effort because they can't even handle tag allocations as is, let alone large scale. There was a guy on this forum a few years back that was down the same rabbit hole as you. He was a sharp guy and a great thinker. He had very similar conclusions as you and also articulated them well. Keep it up, just don't put the cart in front of the horse

You are severely mistaken. Some elk tags in nevada can be drawn on 0 points by a resident. I'll attach draw odds below. For non residents its difficult because they only allocate 10% non-guaranteed. Unless you are applying to some crazy trophy units you can draw a tag in only a handful of points. Also in response to the diminished trophy quality comment. That will only happen in you give out too many tags in the draw. If you only harvest 20-25% of the bull population and stratify that harvest from ages 2.5-10 you will continue to get quality bulls. The only way the age class would diminish is if you over harvested bulls. I've discussed this with a 15 year active wildlife biologist so I wasn't just talking out of turn.

I don't see the WDFW changing their whole outlook on their own any time soon so its up to us to bring up these issues. Resident oversight is something we have to take advantage of not wait for them to offer us. We will see if this just dies and I'm move away and nothing changes but I sure hope that doesn't happen.

[carlyoungs]

Pn wild

[trophyhunt]

Wasn't he the guy who got called out on here a while back for messing with other peoples trail cams also 

[villajac29]

So your Jacob!!  Heard a bit about you, your the lucky guy who draws permits every year!! Talked to a buddy of yours last week, Drew,spring bear hunting, no wonder you want draw only, you draw! Lol.

Haha, I wish!! I only have drawn a second deer tag, *censored*ty muzzy buck tag, a muzzy cow tag no one applies for in 181, and a spring bear tag in 2016!!! I'm not in this to draw. I'll likely be out of this state before I ever draw a quality or bull elk tag! That bull is an OTC archery bull

[villajac29]

Wasn't he the guy who got called out on here a while back for messing with other peoples trail cams also 

Haha, yeah I am. It was a weird situation that is easy to take out of context, I've explained it a bunch. Also no longer a part of *censored*, still friendly with the guys. Will probably record another podcast on this soon.

But here's a summary since you're interested. Met a guy scouting, was super friendly with him. Set cams together, checked his card and reinserted it without moving the cam during season. He was not a fan, blasted me out. I apologized, end of story. Not ashamed of it, just unfortunate how it blew up... If more people get on here to chastise me do it in another thread, I won't respond there either

[Karl Blanchard]

Well now see that's not being very honest Jacob. 13% draw odds for 3 archery tags is what you have in NV for 0 points. Try filtering with a gun, which you state several times in both these threads as the primary user group. Set your filter at 50% draw odds and include all firearms and you get to 5 points before you have a 50/50 chance at a tag and that's only 10 out of 47 units. Take muzzy out of it and it drops to 3 units.  Not everyone is an archery guy so I'd call only getting to hunt elk every half decade or so kind of long odds.

My point if top end quality was directed at the idea that keeps getting thrown around of otc 3pt or better which would destroy our hard earned elk populations and age structure. Also if you are trying to argue that wdfw wouldn't over prescribe permits I need only to point back to the previous 3 year season cycle where they did exactly that which spear headed the temporary decline in overall populations.

[Karl Blanchard]

Fact of the matter is we can both cherry pick single units and weapons to try and prove a point. Here is the numbers I'd like you to provide me and I'll back down from this if they don't fit my narrative. Total number of resident hunters applying for elk tags in NV and total number of tags allocated. Basically what percentage of resident elk hunters actually get to hunt elk.

[deerlick]

id rather hunt every year than worry about joe blow podcast needing to kill a big bull once so he can blow up his Instagram.