FYI and IME, Pant sizing has been a known issue at First Lite for many years. Pants tend to run wide in the waist relative to length. I found that from personal experience and from many on-line reviews and articles. The guys who ran/run First Lite are fit, athletic guys, so it seemed odd to me that the pants had that issue. My experience is limited to the Corrugate pants, but what I was reading applied to their pants in general.