22 points

[ShaneTyTrey]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The one thing that could be changed without effecting money at all, is each applicant is given one choice for each application only.  That still increases odds and effects nothing on the side of WDFW.  Not the best, but a small tweak that would make some difference.  Another option would be to do away with buck/quality and bull/quality and just have one permit and double the price.  Likely most everyone still plays, the odds go up significantly and the state doesn't see much of a hit in revenue.  I am guessing anyone paying $13/application would pay $26/application if the odds were significantly increased.  I have no way to prove that, but strongly believe it.

[Oh Mah]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The one thing that could be changed without effecting money at all, is each applicant is given one choice for each application only.  That still increases odds and effects nothing on the side of WDFW.  Not the best, but a small tweak that would make some difference.  Another option would be to do away with buck/quality and bull/quality and just have one permit and double the price.  Likely most everyone still plays, the odds go up significantly and the state doesn't see much of a hit in revenue.  I am guessing anyone paying $13/application would pay $26/application if the odds were significantly increased.  I have no way to prove that, but strongly believe it.

I agree,i have brought all of this stuff up before also in this forum. 

As far as i'm concerned others will disagree but oh well.

1)Everyone keeps saying limit applicants or increase tags.I have brought up ways to limit applicants whether it be forever or for some period of time.

2)Charge more then less will get in or stay in the draws.

3)Make it 1 choice per species for apps.

4)Double the number of tags and break the areas down by splitting them in half.If you get drawn and you don't see the game you wanted because too many hunters then you got what some are asking for(more tags)if there was reason for more tags then you got what you asked for.

The bottom line is this,Everybody that got drawn in the past few years that said if they ever got drawn they would be out of it completely are doing the other hunters a great dis service,In my opinion if you say your gonna do something then do it. If not then quit saying it while not drawing and whining about the system.

[slim9300]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

The one thing that could be changed without effecting money at all, is each applicant is given one choice for each application only.  That still increases odds and effects nothing on the side of WDFW.  Not the best, but a small tweak that would make some difference.  Another option would be to do away with buck/quality and bull/quality and just have one permit and double the price.  Likely most everyone still plays, the odds go up significantly and the state doesn't see much of a hit in revenue.  I am guessing anyone paying $13/application would pay $26/application if the odds were significantly increased.  I have no way to prove that, but strongly believe it.

Two fair points but I think the majority would not allow the second option to happen. I like your thinking.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[huntnphool]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).

 Doesn’t sound like you read them, I addressed that.

[slim9300]

The only way to increase OVERALL odds is A) increase tag numbers or B) limit hunter applications.

A doesn't happen because it requires work/effort on the part of game managers/commissions

B doesn't happen because the majority of proposed options would cut into budgets funding these same folks.

Exactly right.Thats why i keep saying either O.I.L or they get taken out of the draw for 5 years after successfully drawing.It will do 2 major things.

1)It will take those hunters out of the draw for 5 years.

2)It wont effect the state economically hardly at all.

 I’ve proposed a couple different systems that would work, seems a lot of you simply insist on complaining rather than looking for actual solutions.

The F&G will never listen to you or anyone for that matter when it comes to the draw system, it’s now too entrenched. You know that. It would cost them a great deal of money regardless of the change they put in place (assuming it was done to increase the odds).

 Doesn’t sound like you read them, I addressed that.

I looked back through this thread on my phone before posting that, and didn’t see a post from you. 🤷🏼‍♂️


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk