22 points

[JimmyHoffa]

Even the less desirable permits are tough to draw.

[Joseph wilcox]

I find that there just is not enough good bull permit units to draw from. I only put 2 pics when you get 4, just because I don't care for the other units to draw from. there should be more area options. just my opinion.

[SeaRun1]

My buddys 84 year old uncle finally drew a Cowichee Bull tag with 24 points. He is pretty stoked

How does this happen when Steve Rinella draws a Blues tag while living in the state for two years? 

SR1

[Karl Blanchard]

My buddys 84 year old uncle finally drew a Cowichee Bull tag with 24 points. He is pretty stoked

How does this happen when Steve Rinella draws a Blues tag while living in the state for two years? 

SR1

WA has a bonus point system which means everyone has some sort of a chance at drawing. Odds are better with 24pts but there is also a chance to draw with only 1pt. Its gambling plain and simple. Some scratch tickets are winners but most are losers.

[D-Rock425]

There's so many people in the point system that it doesn't really work the way people think it does. 

[pbg]

The point system doesn't work because it is set up like a lottery, how many points you have are not taken in to account when your name is put in the hat so why not just do away with the points and everyone puts in for what they want and then its fair for everyone and no one can complain about having all these points and not getting drawn 

[D-Rock425]

The point system doesn't work because it is set up like a lottery, how many points you have are not taken in to account when your name is put in the hat so why not just do away with the points and everyone puts in for what they want and then its fair for everyone and no one can complain about having all these points and not getting drawn

the more points you have the more names you have in the hat.

[Bigshooter]

If we are going to have a point system Ill take ours all day long over other states giving out most their tags to max point holders. You actually have a chance to draw here every year versus slim to none in other states. I couldn't even imagine what the point creep would look like here if we were like Utah system. We have way to many applicants versus tags rewarded.

I hear guys saying I have this many points and haven't drawn, then I ask what have you applied for the whole time? and its usually tags that are so hard to draw you may never draw. Then these same guys somehow think a different system fixes it.. the only thing that fixes it is NO points

 

There are few that get it, but this guy gets it.

[gee_unit360]

Not to piss anyone off or anything, but I got a bethel rifle tag with 6 pts 

good for you. Our system is seriously messed up. I have been really fortunate and have been fairly lucky with drawing tags over the years. This year I drew a bull tag with 13 points. That is the most points I’ve ever had in deer and elk.  I’ve drawn Two branched bull tags, 6 cow tags, two quality deer tags, two second deer tags, and two buck tags in the past 10 years. I’m not trying to brag but I’ve been very lucky. Do I think it’s fair? Definitely not. I know a lot of people with a hole bunch of points that are senior citizens and don’t have many years of hunting left. I would gladly give my bull tag to one of them if I could. Something needs to be changed in our current system!!

wow don’t post that. You draw something every single year. Unbelievable

[gee_unit360]

I would be down for a no point system. Equal odds across the board.

[idahohuntr]

If we are going to have a point system Ill take ours all day long over other states giving out most their tags to max point holders. You actually have a chance to draw here every year versus slim to none in other states. I couldn't even imagine what the point creep would look like here if we were like Utah system. We have way to many applicants versus tags rewarded.

I hear guys saying I have this many points and haven't drawn, then I ask what have you applied for the whole time? and its usually tags that are so hard to draw you may never draw. Then these same guys somehow think a different system fixes it.. the only thing that fixes it is NO points

 

There are few that get it, but this guy gets it.

Agree...well stated.  And while I also prefer a no points system, for those with high point totals I think they would be better off advocating for limiting choices.  The guys sitting on 25 moose points or whatever would find those points far more valuable if people could only apply for one species or something like that.  When WDFW created all these categories and allows everyone to apply for everything, it really de-valued your points...pretty much like a big company issuing a whole bunch of new stock and diluting the current shareholders. 

[Rainier10]

You have too many points.

I was a witness.

I saw the point totals for the top 20 names out of the hat.  There were 34,049 people in for quality bull, there was an additional 1,584 people that just did ghost points.

There were 464 permits total given out.

#          Points used
1                 5
2                12
3                16
4                12
4                12
6                15
7                14
8                11
9                11
10              10
10              10
12              12
12              12
14              9
15              12
15              12
17              19
18              6
19              12
20              14

The ties for 4,10,12,15 were groups.

The first person out on the "unselected" list had 14 points.  There were a bunch of people in the first 20 unselected that had 6-16 points.  There were three that had 23 or more points.

A bunch of those of course had come out of the hat before the last guy on the selected list but their hunt choice was gone already so they ended up on the unselected list.

It's all really a gamble.

More points get your name in the hat more times but you are up against every method of hunting in that first draw.  All 34,000 with their multiple applications from there go into the same hat.

You could put in for the colockum rifle rut tag, have your name come out of the hat 15th but if the 14 people before you were archery, muzzleloader or just put in for a different first hunt choice than you then you would technically be the first person out of the hat looking for that permit and would get it.

On the other hand you could be the second guy out of the hat and if the first person drawn had the colockum rut rifle tag as there first choice the tag would be gone and if you didn't have a second choice for a hunt you would be out and on the unselected list.

In theory more points should help.  From what I saw in the top 20 max points wasn't the key.

[idahohuntr]

Would be kind of fun (or aggravating!) if they posted the list of names, 1-34,000, so you could see your draw order 

[trophyhunt]

It’s more agrevating than anything, one year I was the first loser in the bull category.  Like rainier said, the highest point holders, don’t draw very often.

[jstone]

Next year I will have 15 maybe I will get lucky