Kapowsin and Eatinville open but NOT White River???

[Rookie24]

No fire danger? So I guess you are going to say there were no brush fires in the last two weeks anywhere in western Washington? Wait a minute, maybe those fires aren’t real fires. Is that it? Are you a fireman too? You seem to be an expert a on access passes, property rights and fire danger. I’m not sure why you started this thread. You seem to have it all figured out.

I am a fireman... and know the fire danger in Western WA is LOW

Debate that fact.. please.

[Rainier10]

No fire danger? So I guess you are going to say there were no brush fires in the last two weeks anywhere in western Washington? Wait a minute, maybe those fires aren’t real fires. Is that it? Are you a fireman too? You seem to be an expert a on access passes, property rights and fire danger. I’m not sure why you started this thread. You seem to have it all figured out.

I am a fireman... and know the fire danger in Western WA is LOW

Debate that fact.. please.

So firefighter how many fires in a no fire danger western Washington in the last two weeks?

I would be looking for a new job if you think there is no danger of a fire in the western Washington woods right now.

[Rookie24]

No fire danger? So I guess you are going to say there were no brush fires in the last two weeks anywhere in western Washington? Wait a minute, maybe those fires aren’t real fires. Is that it? Are you a fireman too? You seem to be an expert a on access passes, property rights and fire danger. I’m not sure why you started this thread. You seem to have it all figured out.

I am a fireman... and know the fire danger in Western WA is LOW

Debate that fact.. please.

So firefighter how many fires in a no fire danger western Washington in the last two weeks?

I would be looking for a new job if you think there is no danger of a fire in the western Washington woods right now.

You are a moderator here?? LMFAO

Who said “no fire danger”??

The fire danger in WW is LOW...  debate that fact. Please.

[yorketransport]

Have no issue with them as, since they bought the land, the hunting has been light years better. Nice try on the straw man though... sure sign you are on empty.

Charging a fee for a permit isnt a business?? Hows that?? 

They charge a fee for the key to the gate just like they charge for fireworks or a steak dinner at the casino.

The tribe isn't in the business of selling access permits and I'd be surprised if they see any money from it. I believe you're buying an access permit from Hancock, which is just the land management company. I'll admit that I haven't had an access permit for any of the land managed by Hanckock so I could be wrong, but I have bought an access permit from WeyCo every year since they started charging for access.

This issue has been hashed out over and over again in regards to other access permits issued by timber companies. This is not about generating revenue for the timber company, the permits are sold as a courtesy to users and as a way of managing animal populations to help reduce damage to the trees caused by the animals. By the time you calculate the TRUE cost to issue each of the keys, repairs to roads damaged by increased vehicle traffic, damage to timber, vandalism, theft, security, enforcement, signage, and plenty of other costs, there is no significant profit margin in selling access permits.

I think the question we should all be asking you is why do YOU think they've shut down access to the area. We've established that you don't believe it's actually because of the virus, so what do you think is the real reason?

[lewy]

Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imo

[nwmein199]

It doesnt matter why its shut down, the land owner shut it down so deal with it and stop bitching. When you own the land, then you can make the rules.

It is really quite simple: get your money back and move on with your life.

[trophyhunt]

Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imo

I think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property.  It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.

[asl20bball]

Lets be honest, if you go to a casino around here your are partially at fault for this HUGE block of land being purchased. That's why I choose not to "contribute" to the casinos.  Sad, but true.  It's their land and they get to choose how to use/share it now.

[bigtex]

Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imo

I think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property.  It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.

And even worse when they petition the BIA to make it part of the actual reservation.

[trophyhunt]

Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imo

I think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property.  It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.

And even worse when they petition the BIA to make it part of the actual reservation.

That too, I know place where they would most likely put the new hotel and casino, right along the river behind the fire station.  They'd make a killing if they did and I'm sure it's on their radar. 

[Rainier10]

Rookie I feel your pain I’d like to be up scouting and messing around in the tree farm right now to but they own it and make the decisions. To be completely honest I’m surprised they sell us permits at all anymore, I understand there is some tax breaks for doing so but I can’t imagine it’s that much? They have slowly been closing portions of the tree farm and limiting the entry seasons for several years now, at some point it will all go away imo

I think we will be locked out of that property in the future, the mucks have no reason to let us on their property.  It's a damn shame they bought that, will be even worse when they buy the kapowsin side.

And even worse when they petition the BIA to make it part of the actual reservation.

That too, I know place where they would most likely put the new hotel and casino, right along the river behind the fire station.  They'd make a killing if they did and I'm sure it's on their radar.

The bad news is they would lose all the trespass fee money they were making off of the access passes.  The good news is the land would be open to people so they could go to the hotel and casino just like the rest of the tribal land is now.  A cherry on top is it would be close to the fire station so fire danger would never be an issue, firefighters would always be close by. 

[justyhntr]

White River is closed for the 2020/21 season. It on Hancock's web site, reason, covid, been nice if they just told us the real reason, that they don't want us on there.

[duckmen1]

We will never buy a hancock pass again. I have nothing against good access permits, but as for hancock just isn't my style anymore.

[justyhntr]

Did any of you that bought the WR pass get your refund yet?

[liljozie495]

Did any of you that bought the WR pass get your refund yet?

Got mine today as did the wife