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Quote from: buckfvr on July 08, 2020, 04:23:39 PMI can only speak for the guys I know and hunt with. Mostly we just like to hunt the entire season, the later the better. Once your tag is cut, the hunt is over. We enjoy the act of hunting more than the act of killing. For me personally, the kill is very anticlimactic. Sure its great to get your buck, especially a nice one, but still, its over once you've done that. I hate the end of the season.I know for a fact that there are those that envision killing monster bucks because there is a 4p apr, but that just isn't the case. Sure there will be more 4 and 5pts out there, but again most will be 2 1/2, and 3 1/2 yr olds with fewer 4, 5, and 6 year olds respectively. So even as the herd ages, odds don't get any better for harvesting the truly mature big ol bucks as they are so smart and respond so negatively to pressure that they become exceedingly difficult to hunt. Yes guys do kill them, but they are still the exception. Theres 4pts and theres 4pts.....entirely different animals made by age.So what is it.....1.5 years or 2.5 years old to get 4 points? You have now stated two different things. I have a pretty good understanding of how fast the average whitetail grows and have pics to prove it for my area. Most 1.5 year olds will be two points with eye guards (thus 3 pt). They will become bigger three points and some will become 4 points at 2.5 years. So.... Could a 1.5 year old grow 4pts.....sure I guess but the average buck in our area will not. As for putting words in your mouth....just trying to help out being that you keep dodging questions. Remember....your the one that made the statement about participation trophies. Now your saying trophies are in the eye of the beholder. Your waiver if like a fart in the wind. I do respect others opinions.....that doesn’t mean I have to agree with them.
I can only speak for the guys I know and hunt with. Mostly we just like to hunt the entire season, the later the better. Once your tag is cut, the hunt is over. We enjoy the act of hunting more than the act of killing. For me personally, the kill is very anticlimactic. Sure its great to get your buck, especially a nice one, but still, its over once you've done that. I hate the end of the season.I know for a fact that there are those that envision killing monster bucks because there is a 4p apr, but that just isn't the case. Sure there will be more 4 and 5pts out there, but again most will be 2 1/2, and 3 1/2 yr olds with fewer 4, 5, and 6 year olds respectively. So even as the herd ages, odds don't get any better for harvesting the truly mature big ol bucks as they are so smart and respond so negatively to pressure that they become exceedingly difficult to hunt. Yes guys do kill them, but they are still the exception. Theres 4pts and theres 4pts.....entirely different animals made by age.
Quote from: jrebel on July 08, 2020, 04:37:08 PMQuote from: buckfvr on July 08, 2020, 04:23:39 PMI can only speak for the guys I know and hunt with. Mostly we just like to hunt the entire season, the later the better. Once your tag is cut, the hunt is over. We enjoy the act of hunting more than the act of killing. For me personally, the kill is very anticlimactic. Sure its great to get your buck, especially a nice one, but still, its over once you've done that. I hate the end of the season.I know for a fact that there are those that envision killing monster bucks because there is a 4p apr, but that just isn't the case. Sure there will be more 4 and 5pts out there, but again most will be 2 1/2, and 3 1/2 yr olds with fewer 4, 5, and 6 year olds respectively. So even as the herd ages, odds don't get any better for harvesting the truly mature big ol bucks as they are so smart and respond so negatively to pressure that they become exceedingly difficult to hunt. Yes guys do kill them, but they are still the exception. Theres 4pts and theres 4pts.....entirely different animals made by age.So what is it.....1.5 years or 2.5 years old to get 4 points? You have now stated two different things. I have a pretty good understanding of how fast the average whitetail grows and have pics to prove it for my area. Most 1.5 year olds will be two points with eye guards (thus 3 pt). They will become bigger three points and some will become 4 points at 2.5 years. So.... Could a 1.5 year old grow 4pts.....sure I guess but the average buck in our area will not. As for putting words in your mouth....just trying to help out being that you keep dodging questions. Remember....your the one that made the statement about participation trophies. Now your saying trophies are in the eye of the beholder. Your waiver if like a fart in the wind. I do respect others opinions.....that doesn’t mean I have to agree with them.Do some reading up and you will see a buck can be a 4pt as early as 1.5, and only ever be a 4pt til the end. The participation trophy isn't unique to me, many people feel this way. Eyes of the beholder for sure. What question have I dodged ? Might only be you didn't get the answer you needed to further ridicule me. I don't think youre capable of respecting an opinion that you don't agree with. Again, read up on whitetails because you don't have a good understanding of their developmental periods.
If that's the question, bottom line is neither. Im retired and can hunt every day, so the mature bucks offer more challenge and when lucky enough to get one, more meat, better horns, but primarily its a satisfaction derived from challenge. Also why I do the multi-season tag, its challenging.
If that's the question, bottom line is neither. Im retired and can hunt every day, so the mature bucks offer more challenge and when lucky enough to get one, more meat, better horns, but primarily its a satisfaction derived from challenge.
I didn’t list a third option, you did. Lack of commitment now too. Got it I should add that I liked the last apr but am rarely a fan of doing things that take away opportunities unless it is to improve herd health
Quote from: vandeman17 on July 08, 2020, 05:20:07 PMI didn’t list a third option, you did. Lack of commitment now too. Got it I should add that I liked the last apr but am rarely a fan of doing things that take away opportunities unless it is to improve herd healthI get the feeling that whatever he says you will Keep up with the pointless prodding.... the guy cant win. Prime example of why some people dont post much anymore.
I did answer your question, just not like youd hoped, and you did make a 3rd option when you asked meat or antler then said oh so not for herd health. You guys are very contrary and judgmental. I have spent literally thousands of hours glassing whitetail to better understand their habits and herd interaction or lack of it. Pictures help some, but allow folks to draw their own conclusions which can be wrong. Observing them undetected will give you the greatest education you can get about deer. I will have a great 2020 season with or without a kill, but for sure, it will be my choice. apr or no apr, doesn't matter to me, but from last time I can tell you we all observed better overall hunting.Some people need to focus on what and why they do what they do and quit worrying about what others say and do.
Quote from: buckfvr on July 08, 2020, 04:08:35 PMThe answer to that is the more mature a buck is, the more meat you get first, then, and only if the buck gets to live to full maturity, the antler thing can be better. But if you read up on whitetails and QDMA, you will discover that the vast majority of bucks only ever get average antlers. They have to have more than age going for them (especially in Wa.) to become actual trophy whitetails. Granted, your 5 1/2 yr old and older bucks will have better antlers, but not always trophy quality, and how many guys you know who have killed 5 1/2 or older whitetails.You didn't answer what I was asking. You just gave me information, not why YOU want to kill a mature buck versus a young buck. I actually like the APR but with some conditions so I just wanted to clarify why guys are for it.
The answer to that is the more mature a buck is, the more meat you get first, then, and only if the buck gets to live to full maturity, the antler thing can be better. But if you read up on whitetails and QDMA, you will discover that the vast majority of bucks only ever get average antlers. They have to have more than age going for them (especially in Wa.) to become actual trophy whitetails. Granted, your 5 1/2 yr old and older bucks will have better antlers, but not always trophy quality, and how many guys you know who have killed 5 1/2 or older whitetails.
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