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i received the survey and live in northeast washington (101-121)
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Offline buckfvr

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #75 on: July 08, 2020, 04:47:51 PM »
I can only speak for the guys I know and hunt with.  Mostly we just like to hunt the entire season, the later the better.  Once your tag is cut, the hunt is over.  We enjoy the act of hunting more than the act of killing.  For me personally, the kill is very anticlimactic.  Sure its great to get your buck, especially a nice one, but still, its over once you've done that.  I hate the end of the season.

I know for a fact that there are those that envision killing monster bucks because there is a 4p apr, but that just isn't the case.  Sure there will be more 4 and 5pts out there, but again most will be 2 1/2, and 3 1/2 yr olds with fewer 4, 5, and 6 year olds respectively.  So even as the herd ages, odds don't get any better for harvesting the truly mature big ol bucks as they are so smart and respond so negatively to pressure that they become exceedingly difficult to hunt.  Yes guys do kill them, but they are still the exception.  Theres 4pts and theres 4pts.....entirely different animals made by age.

So what is it.....1.5 years or 2.5 years old to get 4 points?   You have now stated two different things.  I have a pretty good understanding of how fast the average whitetail grows and have pics to prove it for my area.  Most 1.5 year olds will be two points with eye guards (thus 3 pt).  They will become bigger three points and some will become 4 points at 2.5 years.   So.... Could a 1.5 year old grow 4pts.....sure I guess but the average buck in our area will not. 

As for putting words in your mouth....just trying to help out being that you keep dodging questions.   Remember....your the one that made the statement about participation trophies.  Now your saying trophies are in the eye of the beholder.  Your waiver if like a fart in the wind. 

I do respect others opinions.....that doesn’t mean I have to agree with them.

Do some reading up and you will see a buck can be a 4pt as early as 1.5, and only ever be a 4pt til the end.  The participation trophy isn't unique to me, many people feel this way.  Eyes of the beholder for sure.  What question have I dodged ? Might only be you didn't get the answer you needed to further ridicule me.  I don't think youre capable of respecting an opinion that you don't agree with.  Again, read up on whitetails because you don't have a good understanding of their developmental periods. 

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #76 on: July 08, 2020, 04:52:29 PM »
I can only speak for the guys I know and hunt with.  Mostly we just like to hunt the entire season, the later the better.  Once your tag is cut, the hunt is over.  We enjoy the act of hunting more than the act of killing.  For me personally, the kill is very anticlimactic.  Sure its great to get your buck, especially a nice one, but still, its over once you've done that.  I hate the end of the season.

I know for a fact that there are those that envision killing monster bucks because there is a 4p apr, but that just isn't the case.  Sure there will be more 4 and 5pts out there, but again most will be 2 1/2, and 3 1/2 yr olds with fewer 4, 5, and 6 year olds respectively.  So even as the herd ages, odds don't get any better for harvesting the truly mature big ol bucks as they are so smart and respond so negatively to pressure that they become exceedingly difficult to hunt.  Yes guys do kill them, but they are still the exception.  Theres 4pts and theres 4pts.....entirely different animals made by age.

So what is it.....1.5 years or 2.5 years old to get 4 points?   You have now stated two different things.  I have a pretty good understanding of how fast the average whitetail grows and have pics to prove it for my area.  Most 1.5 year olds will be two points with eye guards (thus 3 pt).  They will become bigger three points and some will become 4 points at 2.5 years.   So.... Could a 1.5 year old grow 4pts.....sure I guess but the average buck in our area will not. 

As for putting words in your mouth....just trying to help out being that you keep dodging questions.   Remember....your the one that made the statement about participation trophies.  Now your saying trophies are in the eye of the beholder.  Your waiver if like a fart in the wind. 

I do respect others opinions.....that doesn’t mean I have to agree with them.

Do some reading up and you will see a buck can be a 4pt as early as 1.5, and only ever be a 4pt til the end.  The participation trophy isn't unique to me, many people feel this way.  Eyes of the beholder for sure.  What question have I dodged ? Might only be you didn't get the answer you needed to further ridicule me.  I don't think youre capable of respecting an opinion that you don't agree with.  Again, read up on whitetails because you don't have a good understanding of their developmental periods.

Do you want "mature" animals over "young animals" because they yield more meat or have bigger antlers?
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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #77 on: July 08, 2020, 04:57:09 PM »
If that's the question, bottom line is neither.  Im retired and can hunt every day, so the mature bucks offer more challenge and when lucky enough to get one, more meat, better horns, but primarily its a satisfaction derived from challenge.

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #78 on: July 08, 2020, 04:58:08 PM »
If that's the question, bottom line is neither.  Im retired and can hunt every day, so the mature bucks offer more challenge and when lucky enough to get one, more meat, better horns, but primarily its a satisfaction derived from challenge.  Also why I do the multi-season tag, its challenging.

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #79 on: July 08, 2020, 05:04:05 PM »
If that's the question, bottom line is neither.  Im retired and can hunt every day, so the mature bucks offer more challenge and when lucky enough to get one, more meat, better horns, but primarily its a satisfaction derived from challenge.

So it’s about personal challenge and not herd health. Got it. Take away options from the guy that has a weekend to hunt and wants to fill his freezer so a person who can hunt every day has more of a challenge.
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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #80 on: July 08, 2020, 05:17:45 PM »
Oh so there was a third option you didn't bother to list......is it meat or antlers was your question.  I wont say our herd is unhealthy, but could use better escapement of young bucks in general.  So since you guys only get to hunt "X" amount of days, you want to be able to kill baby deer to make up for your lack of commitment.  Im past those days and get it for those still working and raising a family, but I will always be against killing baby deer and Ive yet to see these little bucks fill a freezer, unless of course its the little one over the fridge.   :chuckle: 

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #81 on: July 08, 2020, 05:20:07 PM »
I didn’t list a third option, you did. Lack of commitment now too. Got it

I should add that I liked the last apr but am rarely a fan of doing things that take away opportunities unless it is to improve herd health
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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #82 on: July 08, 2020, 05:27:21 PM »
Come on man, this is so stupid. Look at your Avatar.

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #83 on: July 08, 2020, 05:50:25 PM »
After the results of the last apr I'm surprised everyone's not on board with going back to it. Those little buggers in the late season get hammered they're just too dumb.

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #84 on: July 08, 2020, 05:57:01 PM »
I didn’t list a third option, you did. Lack of commitment now too. Got it

I should add that I liked the last apr but am rarely a fan of doing things that take away opportunities unless it is to improve herd health
I get the feeling that whatever he says you will Keep up with the pointless prodding.... the guy cant win. Prime example of why some people dont post much anymore.

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #85 on: July 08, 2020, 06:05:29 PM »
I didn’t list a third option, you did. Lack of commitment now too. Got it

I should add that I liked the last apr but am rarely a fan of doing things that take away opportunities unless it is to improve herd health
I get the feeling that whatever he says you will Keep up with the pointless prodding.... the guy cant win. Prime example of why some people dont post much anymore.

I asked a simple question that he avoided multiple times. If that is a prime example of getting a person to not post then so be it. He emphatically stated his desire for an apr and I wanted to know why. That’s how discussions work
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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #86 on: July 08, 2020, 06:19:21 PM »
I did answer your question, just not like youd hoped, and you did make a 3rd option when you asked meat or antler then said oh so not for herd health.  You guys are very contrary and judgmental. 

I have spent literally thousands of hours glassing whitetail to better understand their habits and herd interaction or lack of it.  Pictures help some, but allow folks to draw their own conclusions which can be wrong.  Observing them undetected will give you the greatest education you can get about deer. 

I will have a great 2020 season with or without a kill, but for sure, it will be my choice.  apr or no apr, doesn't matter to me, but from last time I can tell you we all observed better overall hunting.

Some people need to focus on what and why they do what they do and quit worrying about what others say and do. 

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #87 on: July 08, 2020, 06:34:09 PM »
I did answer your question, just not like youd hoped, and you did make a 3rd option when you asked meat or antler then said oh so not for herd health.  You guys are very contrary and judgmental. 

I have spent literally thousands of hours glassing whitetail to better understand their habits and herd interaction or lack of it.  Pictures help some, but allow folks to draw their own conclusions which can be wrong.  Observing them undetected will give you the greatest education you can get about deer. 

I will have a great 2020 season with or without a kill, but for sure, it will be my choice.  apr or no apr, doesn't matter to me, but from last time I can tell you we all observed better overall hunting.

Some people need to focus on what and why they do what they do and quit worrying about what others say and do.

Your last statement sums it up. It’s what you want, and that’s mature deer for their challenge and there is nothing wrong with that. It’s your outlook and opinion but to call other hunters who want to try and kill a deer for the experience and the meat not committed is hypocritical. I don’t see why we can’t have some kind of apr system that doesn’t allow for some any buck harvest for youths and disabled.
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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #88 on: July 08, 2020, 06:40:06 PM »
The answer to that is the more mature a buck is, the more meat you get first, then, and only if the buck gets to live to full maturity, the antler thing can be better.  But if you read up on whitetails and QDMA, you will discover that the vast majority of bucks only ever get average antlers.  They have to have more than age going for them (especially in Wa.) to become actual trophy whitetails.  Granted, your 5 1/2 yr old and older bucks will have better antlers, but not always trophy quality, and how many guys you know who have killed 5 1/2 or older whitetails.

You didn't answer what I was asking. You just gave me information, not why YOU want to kill a mature buck versus a young buck. I actually like the APR but with some conditions so I just wanted to clarify why guys are for it.  :tup:

Why do you like the APR vanderman?

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Re: Wdfw survey
« Reply #89 on: July 08, 2020, 06:50:29 PM »
"I get the feeling that whatever he says you will Keep up with the pointless prodding.... the guy cant win."

Jumping on the man because he's after big bucks... I don't get it.
« Last Edit: July 08, 2020, 06:56:35 PM by JL »

 


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