Response and reply to my WDFW letter (new email)

[Machias]

Killbilly I have bowhunted for the past 32 years, I have been all over NE WA the last 14 years.  I never broke the law by carrying concealed like, from what I am lead to believe, alot of guys did.  But I personally welcome the OPTION.

[Coasthunterjay]

people that just think they are whiny babies that are scared of the boogeyman.    

know thats funny........and i agree......not that i am that old, but the world isnt what it was 10 years ago, let alone 30 years ago.

I dont have a CPL yet......YET........but as soon as i get a chance im getting one.......Not sure if this will make sence. But I would rather like to have the ability to be able to carry and not........ then not have the ability to when i needed to...

thats my 2cents.  

[JoshT]

Fred, I am not trying to degrade anyone seriously... I just stated that I don't understand the need for it or the recent concern for protection. It wasn't there 20 years ago and I still do not personally feel threatened. No degradation intended.. sorry if it came off that way.

The world/country was a different 20 years ago... hell, it was a different place 5 years ago. There's a lot more evil and those who perpetuate it now. More drugs, more hardship, more crime... it's not just about "feeling safe"... it's about being prepared. Once again... I refuse to be a victim, or allow anyone else to be a victim. If you just want to accept your fate... and roll the dice everyday... then that's up to you. I will always carry a pistol... hunting, fishing, playing at the park with my kids, racing toy boats, whatever... I pray everyday that I won't need it... but I sure as hell won't be the guy praying for one if the need should arrise.

I'm glad they changed the CPL rule too... even though I understand the argument on both sides.

[buckbrush]

Kain,

Thanks for your pursuit on this matter.  I have the same feelings on the matter that you do.  I am saying thanks, because you have voiced your opinion.

[Kain]

No problem    Hope everyone that feels the same will speak up and let them know.  And if you dont feel the same I just hope we can remain civil while we discuss it.  I will try harder 

[Slider]

I don't see what the big deal is? It simply boils down to the right to keep and bare arms!!! I always carry a pistol even if I am just checking my game cams. Last year I had 2 grows one on both sides of my trail cams!!! That area is open to Sept. Archery and I won't hunt that area without a pistol period!!! Last week the cops caught a Meth Head cooking at the end of a dirt road where I use to Deer hunt!!! I'm not afraid of the Boogieman either but I WILL NOT be a VICTIM. It's about time WA has just started to catch up with the other states.

[Kain]

Letter sent to the NRA and response:



Explanation of complaint:
My Complaint is with the Washington Department of Fish & Wildlife.  They recently made a change in the hunting regulations.  They are now requiring a concealed pistol license (CPL) to carry a pistol for personal protection while hunting during an archery or muzzleloader season.  My complaint is that this requirement is in violation of my rights as stated in the Washington State constitution, SECTION 24 "RIGHT TO BEAR ARMS. The right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself, or the state, shall not be impaired, but nothing in this section shall be construed as authorizing individuals or corporations to organize, maintain or employ an armed body of men."

A citizen is not required to have a CPL to carry openly and according to RCW 9.41.060 a citizen is not required to have a CPL while engaging in a legal outdoor activity and carrying concealed.  My complaint is that the WDFW has created this rule not only in contradiction to the US and State constitutions and state law but has unfairly targeted archery and muzzleload hunters rights while not making the same requirement of modern firearm hunters and fisherman and other outdoor users.  I am a legal  citizen of Washington and the United States and have no criminal history.

http://wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/huntregs2009.pdf
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.060

Naithan M. Kain

...

Dear Mr. Kain,

Thanks for contacting NRA-ILA.

I will be forwarding this to the WA State Liaison.

Please allow me to take this opportunity to thank you for your dedicated support. Because of people like you we are heartened in our efforts to preserve and protect the right of all law-abiding citizens to keep and bear arms. You are a true friend of the American gun owner and we take pride in knowing that.

Please let us know if you have further questions or concerns, and as always, we appreciate your support.

Sincerely,

Krista Cupp
NRA-ILA Grassroots Division

[JoshT]

Nice work brother... hope it goes somewhere.

I may get flamed for this... but I just renewed my NRA membership today. I haven't been a member for the past couple of years... I felt they grew out of touch with my needs and what I felt they should be fighting for... but because of our debates recently, I've come to the conclusion that I'd just grown complacent... and it was time to cowboy up. Thanks for setting me straight man!

[Kain]

Wow, no problem and welcome back to the dark side.    Just joined this year myself.  I just felt like things in this state were going to far and I wasnt going just sit back and take it without a little civil unrest.    If you can call writing nuisance letters civil unrest.   

[Kain]

  Just got this email today.  Looks like all our efforts might be working. This is in response to the NRA getting on them about this. 


Hello.  Thank you for your comments regarding the Fish and Wildlife Commission’s changes to WACs 232-12-051 and 232-12-054 allowing a hunter to carry a modern handgun during archery and muzzleloader seasons if he/she has a concealed weapons permit.  The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife is going to review these WAC changes and will provide a response to you once it has done so.

 

 

Lori Preuss, WSBA #33045

WDFW Criminal Justice Liaison &

Administrative Regulations Coordinator

Lori.preuss@dfw.wa.gov

360.902.2930

Fax 360.902.2155

[Kain]

Got this letter after I sent another email.  Still waiting to hear something.  If anyone want to send emails asking for them to change this new rule there is still time.


"Hello, Naithan.  WDFW submitted a legal services request to the Attorney General’s Office to get their legal opinion on this matter.  They informed me that it will take 1-2 weeks for them to have an answer.  Once WDFW has the AGO’s opinion, we will determine a course of action and let you know the outcome.  You will be able to provide feedback on our decision.
 
It will take us some time to make a decision, because everyone is incredibly busy.  You will probably hear from me toward the end of June.
 
Thank you for your interest in this issue and your patience while we figure out the best thing to do.
 
Lori Preuss"   

[bearpaw]

Here is a link where you can get a 1 year trial membership to the NRA if you have never been a member.

http://www.nrahq.org/nrabonus/

[Kain]

Thinking about sending off another emial on this since I have not gotten a response yet.  Anyone else want to send another one or should I just give up on this?   

[Huntboy]

I think you are definitely doing the right thing, keep up the good work.

[Machias]

Don't give up, how hard is a e-mail to send.  I'll send another as well.