Response and reply to my WDFW letter (new email)

[jackelope]

It seems pretty simple to me.

1.  We have a lawful right to carry.
2.  We also have laws preventing the pistol to be used in any way for the archery or muzzleloader hunt.
3.  We have law enforcement and a poachers hotline to take care of those who break the law.

When laws are managed to make enforcement easier, rights are lost.

Dale with all due respect, you're 10x the outdoorsman i am, but if you really think that #'s 2 and 3 have an impact on the thinking of a guy who decides to use his pistol to cheat, i think you're sadly waaaayyyyy wrong.
we have laws preventing poaching, but do they work?

nope...
again, i would love to carry a pistol during archery just in case i run into a bunch of tweekers, and clearly see it's our right to carry a gun, but it's an incredibly slippery slope. the right to carry that pistol just increased the odds of a guy who's thinking about cheating to actually cheat.

[Machias]

It seems pretty simple to me.

1.  We have a lawful right to carry.
2.  We also have laws preventing the pistol to be used in any way for the archery or muzzleloader hunt.
3.  We have law enforcement and a poachers hotline to take care of those who break the law.

When laws are managed to make enforcement easier, rights are lost.

Dale with all due respect, you're 10x the outdoorsman i am, but if you really think that #'s 2 and 3 have an impact on the thinking of a guy who decides to use his pistol to cheat, i think you're sadly waaaayyyyy wrong.
we have laws preventing poaching, but do they work?

nope...
again, i would love to carry a pistol during archery just in case i run into a bunch of tweekers, and clearly see it's our right to carry a gun, but it's an incredibly slippery slope. the right to carry that pistol just increased the odds of a guy who's thinking about cheating to actually cheat.

A very polite  !  Carrying a sidearm doesn't make you more or less ethical.  If you are going to cheat like that you would have already been carrying concealed.  Gawd I never would have broken the law, but man this thing on my side...it just made me do it.   

[jackelope]

i wasn't referring to ethics, i was referring to poaching.
as in...hey now i don't have to hide the pistol...it's just right here for me to use.
bang.
dead elk.

it's just like all the poachers on the cedar river. they run rampant now because you can fish there now...they didn't used to because the river was never open...now they just look like all the other fishermen.

[Machias]

It's been proven that on Friday and Saturday nights about 10% of the drivers are intoxicated, therefore no one is allowed to drive Fridays and Saturday nights.  It used to be easy to spot them but with so many drivers on the roads they blend in so we are not going to allow anyone to drive.  Plus it seems like we find more and more people speeding are actually doing it in motor vehicles.

[jackelope]

nevermind. you win.

i give up.

[Machias]

That's ok, so do I.

[bearpaw]

Kain
First I need to say, I didn't read all the posts but I was thinkin about this and the WDFW is really only an agency that administers the law. I don't think you will get anywhere writing letters to them alone.

Are you copying all your letters to the WDFW Commission or to your legislators.

The Commission and the legislature create or change laws and codes. This will have to be resolved by the Commission or the legislature .

[Kain]

My first emails went to the commission.  It was answered by Mike Mikitik so I responded to him.  After that I started sending them to these emails:
commission@dfw.wa.gov,
wildthing@dfw.wa.gov,
director@dfw.wa.gov,
turcocmt@dfw.wa.gov,
TeamSpokane@dfw.wa.gov,
TeamEphrata@dfw.wa.gov,
TeamYakima@dfw.wa.gov,
TeamMillCreek@dfw.wa.gov,
TeamVancouver@dfw.wa.gov,
TeamMontesano@dfw.wa.gov

I got a response from Lori Preuss, after the NRA got involved, with all these emails CC so when I respond or ask for an update I reply all.  There is the director, AG, NRA HQ and others.


 "from   Preuss, Lori (DFW) <Lori.Preuss@dfw.wa.gov>
to   Naithan Kain <naithankain@gmail.com>
cc   clayton78@centurytel.net,
likesrain@hotmail.com,
jwilliams@nrahq.org,
shanevg@gmail.com,
"Director (DFW)" <director@dfw.wa.gov>,
callahan.jason@leg.wa.gov,
"Davis, Tom (DFW)" <Tom.Davis@dfw.wa.gov>,
"Cenci, Mike (DFW)" <Mike.Cenci@dfw.wa.gov>,
"McLeod, Kathryn (ATG)" <KathrynM@atg.wa.gov>

I have not included any legislators that I know of.  If you know who I can forward these to, that would like to see them, I will be happy to send them.

[bearpaw]

Kain....It depends who made the current rule, commission or legislature. Most likely is wildlife code, I don't know and I haven't looked.

It seems pretty simple to me.

1.  We have a lawful right to carry.
2.  We also have laws preventing the pistol to be used in any way for the archery or muzzleloader hunt.
3.  We have law enforcement and a poachers hotline to take care of those who break the law.

When laws are managed to make enforcement easier, rights are lost.


Dale with all due respect, you're 10x the outdoorsman i am, but if you really think that #'s 2 and 3 have an impact on the thinking of a guy who decides to use his pistol to cheat, i think you're sadly waaaayyyyy wrong.
we have laws preventing poaching, but do they work?

jackelope....I understand your school of thought, I both agree with it and respect it, but here's and example:  the game warden had a 7x7 elk rack in his truck this spring that he had confiscated....poaching case....I think a guy shot it with a rifle in archery season , not positive, but i think that is was what he said when I asked.

So I have to also agree with Machias, poacher are poachers no matter what the law reads. That guy used a rifle....he was simply a poacher and they don't care what the law is.

The problem I see is that too many rules take away form the legal person. I just think it's important to include that thought in our laws. 

[Kain]

The reason that we have such a poaching problem is not because of a lack of laws.  It is because of a lack of enforcement.  There are just not enough officers.  There is already a law that says we cant use a modern firearm to kill or dispatch wounded game.  Using the logic that if we just take all the guns out of the equation we wont have any crime is exactly what the anti gun crowd are trying to do everywhere.  If they could just outlaw guns then anyone that has them is a criminal.  Makes their job easier but we loose our rights.

What some believe is that is OK with them as long as it is only archery and MZL hunters. 

[bearpaw]

Peer pressure by responsible hunters is making a difference, I do not beleive poaching is near as accepted as it was 10 or 20 years ago.

If we create laws to do all enforcement Kain is right, they will need to take away the guns from everyone....

[Machias]

Peer pressure by responsible hunters is making a difference, I do not beleive poaching is near as accepted as it was 10 or 20 years ago.

If we create laws to do all enforcement Kain is right, they will need to take away the guns from everyone....

If they did that, poaching would still take place.  There are LOTS of ways to poach wildlife without a firearm.  Unethical folks will always find a way.

[bearpaw]

If they did that, poaching would still take place.  There are LOTS of ways to poach wildlife without a firearm.  Unethical folks will always find a way.

Machias you are exactly right which supports the phylosophy that further gun laws are relatively useless.....unless of coarse there is other agenda to be accomplished with the gun laws.

[Kain]

I got an email from Senator Morten.  It has a copy of the letter he received in regards to this issue.  The letter is a PDF and I cant copy the text here.  

[Kain]

Here is a copy of the letter I received.  I hope you can read it.


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