Response and reply to my WDFW letter (new email)

[Kain]

Thanks guys I sent another email.  It is very hard to remain polite in these emails.    I am going to contact the NRA again also and see if they can do more.

A copy of the email

"To whom it may concern,
 
I am just writing to ask if there has been any decision made on this issue.  I was told that a decision might be made by the end of June and have yet to hear anything.  I still believe that the decision to add the CPL requirement to only Archery and muzzleloader hunters while carrying a weapon for protection is wrong.  It goes against state law and the state and federal constitutions.  A CPL is not required to carry a weapon openly and a CPL is not required to carry concealed as long as you are engaging in a lawful outdoor activity.  See RCW 9.41.060.  Not only that it would not allow hunters under the age of 21 to carry a handgun for protection while archery or muzzleloader hunting.  This make absolutely no sense because they are allowed to carry firearms at all other times.  Please remove this rule that was added last minute to the regulations."

[Kain]

Well that was fast.

"from   Preuss, Lori (DFW) <Lori.Preuss@dfw.wa.gov>
to   Naithan Kain <naithankain@gmail.com>
cc   clayton78@centurytel.net,
likesrain@hotmail.com,
jwilliams@nrahq.org,
shanevg@gmail.com,
"Director (DFW)" <director@dfw.wa.gov>,
callahan.jason@leg.wa.gov,
"Davis, Tom (DFW)" <Tom.Davis@dfw.wa.gov>,
"Cenci, Mike (DFW)" <Mike.Cenci@dfw.wa.gov>,
"McLeod, Kathryn (ATG)" <KathrynM@atg.wa.gov>

date   Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 9:02 AM

subject   RE: Response to your inquiry re: modern handguns while hunting
mailed-by   dfw.wa.gov
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Hi, Naithan.  We have not made a decision on this yet, but we haven’t forgotten about it.  I assure you, we will notify you of our decision and intended course of action as soon as we have it.  Stay tuned."

 

[Kain]

Sent an emial to the American Hunter magazine.  They have a section called "Confusing Game Laws".  Hopefully they can put some pressure on them.

If anyone else wants to send an email.
amercianhunter@nrahq.org

[Kain]

Response from American Hunter Magazine


Dear Mr. Kain,
 
Thank you for your confusing game law submission. It has been passed on to the appropriate editors and to a contact at NRA-ILA so that they may address these issues with lawmakers. Though we do not have the resources in Publications to answer each individual question, your question may be answered via the magazine. If you  require help urgently on a matter concerning game laws, please contact our Hunter Services division for assistance at hunterservices@nrahq.org. Thank you for your interest in American Hunter. 
 
Best Regards,
Sarah Taylor
Editorial Assistant, American Hunter

NRA Headquarters
11250 Waples Mill Road
Fairfax, VA 22030-9400

[bearpaw]

Kain, it's nice to see you are following through on this....

[Kain]

I have always been good at being a pain in the butt.   

[colockumelk]

Kain you are the man way to go. 

Here's my analogy on needing a pistol or not needing it.  I heard it on the radio the other day so I didn't make it up but it's a really good one.

Q: When do you need a seat belt?
A: Don't know?
Q: So why do you wear a seat belt all the time?
A: Because I don't know when I'm going to need it, and if I need it and am not wearing it then what good is the seat belt.

A pistol is the same way.  You never know when you'll need it and it doesn't do you any good if you don't have it on you if you do need it. 

[bearpaw]

excellent analogy.....love it....you need to get that comment on KING5

[Kain]

Yes same goes for
Insurance, smoke detectors, fire extinguishers, flare guns, or any other safety precaution. 

[Todd_ID]

I just noticed this thread and read all 5 pages.  I was surprised to see the last page become a positive turn of events after several pages of mindless bantering.  Congrats on keeping the issue at the front of the minds of those in Olympia who are paid by us; if you let off for two weeks, then the issue has been resolved in their minds, so keep up the campaign.  I personally have no dog in this fight as I am an archery hunter with a CPL and will now carry as allowed, but I will also stand beside the person who has no CPL and defend his right to carry.  There is no place in hunting's uncertain future for vocally degrading something another hunter supports; the better course of action in that case is to remain silent.

[Kain]

I personally believe we all have a dog in the fight.  We are all hunters and most are gun owners.  I would stand up for modern firearms hunters if they were to try this with them also.  I have a CPL also but I dont think that is the point of this.  We could all just cave in and go get our CPL's and then the next time they pull something like this we could just give in on that to.    It is another government agency ignoring our rights and existing state law because of some lame excuse that we are all potential criminals.  They are slowly chipping away at us and I dont see much being done to stop it.  We are so divided that we dont even stick up for each other.  Trappers and hound hunters are mostly alone so they are easy targets.  Same with archery and MZl hunters.  If there are only a few of us writing emails they will probably ignore this but if we can get the rest of you to write also they might reconsider.  Even if they dont they might be a little less likely to do something similar in the future.   

Here are some other threads on this issue.  If you take the time to read through them you can see what I mean about us being divided.  I think every one has the right to their own opinion but we spend a lot of time attacking each other (myself included).  It is not helpful to any of us and in the end it will be what make us loose.

http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,4289.0.html
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,24881.msg287098.html#msg287098
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,28147.60.html
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,26065.msg297765.html#msg297765
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,26725.msg306401.html#msg306401

[bearpaw]

   very well put, I agree completely, we all need to support each other.

[shoot-em-dead]

Kain, you are doing an excellent job. I archery hunt deer and modern for elk and while I do not carry a pistol for either ( mainly because I know how bad of a shot I am ) I 100% agree that it is a right for a person to carry sidearms for protection at any time and these rights are being infringed upon. Keep up the good work.

[curtmdavis]

 Here is the reply I and some others that are working on this recieved this week. I belive that this will get turned around, soon.

Thank you for contacting WDFW regarding archery hunting and carrying a handgun.  Your e-mail has been referred to me for a response.

WDFW is currently reviewing these rules and awaiting legal advice from the Office of the Attorney General.  The review is not yet complete at this time.  Please feel free to contact me directly in the weeks ahead so that I may update you on any progress.

Mik Mikitik
Department of Fish and Wildlife
Enforcement Program
Hunter Education Division

[KillBilly]

Whatever, I have hunted archery for years and never need a handgun for protection. I don't want the extra weight and will not carry one even if they do change the laws. It is an Archery Hunt, not a modern handgun for anything hunt.

And there is no comparison to seatbelts in this arguments. If you are worried about being attacked by something, by all means wear your seatbelt.