Draw Question

[snag_point]

Hi,
New to this site, but not to WA state hunting.  You think that it is hard to draw, What you don't realize is that  many of the tags that are drawn are the result of extra points rewarded to hunters that got them by turning in another hunter on a violation.  When I got my cougar sealed this March a bio told me that in one on the trophy bull elk units in the Blues, only one hunter had gotten the draw the old fashion way.  All the other tags drawn where from awarded Pts.  Award hunters with $$$$ but not pts.  Your chances of getting that wonderful once in maybe 10 or so years, has gotten a heck of a lot  harder.  If you know how the game is played you can beat the  system  and get drawn for trophy hunts. And that fellow hunters is WRONG.
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[jason4429]

I have heard that the anti-pukes also apply for tags .

[Crunchy]

I have heard that the anti-pukes also apply for tags .

Now that would suck.  Just imagine how bad they could make it.

[Pathfinder101]

Don't worry, most of them don't really have jobs and can't afford to apply...

[Skyvalhunter]

Why do you think you have to buy a license before putting in for a special permit. Most "anti's" wont fork out the money so u are talking very few.

[7mag.]

I have heard that the anti-pukes also apply for tags .

Anybody that would go through that much trouble just to screw us is a sick individual with mental problems. Must be the same retards that follow armed hunters into the woods, banging pots and pans to scare the wildlife.

[GoldTip]

Don't worry, most of them don't really have jobs and can't afford to apply...

Hell, they can beg for 10 minutes on a street corner for the cost a special app in this state, it's ridiculous.  Raise the application fee and lower the number of units you can apply in and people will start drawing some tags.

[Elkaholic daWg]

The far right column in the hunt choice table lists the number of 2008 Apps.  Does anyone know if this is the total number of applicants for that hunt or the total number of applicant’s points for that unit?

I’m trying to guess at my odds for being drawn, they are slim, just wondering how slim.

 I bet WDFW gets a ton of applicants (and money) for those few 3 pt or better Whitetail tags just from those who would love to get an extra weekend in the NE late hunt. 

[MIKEXRAY]

To answer your question on odds, they don't seem as bleak as they really are. The number on the right is number of hunters who put in for that hunt total. Most of those numbers are peoples 2nd, 3rd & 4th choices. If another person gets selected , they see if his first choice is open & if it is then his other choices don't matter but are still reflected in those numbers. To give you an example: I bow hunt & the area I chose has about a 100 permits. Over a 1000 people apply and you would assume it would take about ten years to draw. Yet I draw this permit every 2 or 3 years over the last ten years. ( 3 draws in ten years ). The reason is its mostly other peoples 3rd or 4th choice but my first choice. I called the state & he informed me that I wasn't the luckiest dude in the state but that my area, as first choice was a " three year area for drawing ". Now if you pick an area that has all first choices for all hunters, then you will wait those ten years or get lucky. Make sense ? Thats how it was explained to me anyway. I only put in for one hunt choice, in an area that is good but not the most desired & my number comes up plenty. My  Mike.

[bobcat]

I'd say what Mike is saying is pretty much right on. And also due to that same theory, the most popular permits may be even harder to draw than it might appear just by looking at the number of permits versus the number of applicants. This is because the majority of the applicants for that permit will have it as a number one choice, AND a high percentage of those applicants probably also have a high number of points.

[WDFW-SUX]

Nevada uses the same draw system that we have and is able to give exact draw % for all hunts and is also able to give a break down of all of the point pools........

WFDW was running the draw and didnt know how many applicants were in it as of three years ago...........so it was impossible to tell if it was done correctly

[B.G.hunter]

cp it took an average of 3.90 points to draw the aladdin tag last year if you want to find all the draw odds the link is wdfw.wa.gov/wlm/game/hunter/specperm/index.htm then just click on the species you want and all the draw info is there.

[tony04]

this is my first year for putting in for special permits. both deer and elk. has anyone ever drawn a tag with 0 points?

[Ray]

You will have one point. Not zero. You will have a slim chance to draw something. Try for antlerless or any deer/elk if it interests you.

[tony04]

ok cool. thank thanks ray.