WDFW 2021-23 Hunt proposals

[full choke]

There are already seasons in place for scoped rifles...

[Bullkllr]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

[bobcat]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

[Bullkllr]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

Regardless of whether the spring season sounds like fun or not, the justification seems contradicted by the justification for the very next proposal is all I'm saying. Hard to have it both ways 

[haftard]

Are you kidding me tho on the 1x optic on muzzleloaders.

Did you not see the other proposal allowing magnifying scopes on muzzleloaders?

I did. Eather let us use scoped muzzle stuffer or make us use open sights. Doing a 1x optic would alow alot of grey area

[duckmen1]

People act like 1 power scopes bring you closer view of the animal making it easier. All it does is allow a clearer site picture for people who have issues with eye site.
Although I can guess there are some that will try to stretch the law.

[bobcat]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

Regardless of whether the spring season sounds like fun or not, the justification seems contradicted by the justification for the very next proposal is all I'm saying. Hard to have it both ways 

It would only be for males and would be by limited permit only. From the survey:

Implement a limited spring permit hunt for male dusky and sooty grouse and do not allow the use of hunting dogs for this hunt.

I would love to try hunting grouse in the spring.

[Bullkllr]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

Regardless of whether the spring season sounds like fun or not, the justification seems contradicted by the justification for the very next proposal is all I'm saying. Hard to have it both ways 

It would only be for males and would be by limited permit only. From the survey:

Implement a limited spring permit hunt for male dusky and sooty grouse and do not allow the use of hunting dogs for this hunt.

I would love to try hunting grouse in the spring.

I'm not saying I'm for or against it.

The very next proposal is to delay the fall season. It reads
Harvest data, based on catch-per-unit-effort, indicate that Washington’s forest grouse populations are in a long-term decline.

The two proposals seem rather contradictory, at least on the surface.

[bobcat]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

Regardless of whether the spring season sounds like fun or not, the justification seems contradicted by the justification for the very next proposal is all I'm saying. Hard to have it both ways 

It would only be for males and would be by limited permit only. From the survey:

Implement a limited spring permit hunt for male dusky and sooty grouse and do not allow the use of hunting dogs for this hunt.

I would love to try hunting grouse in the spring.

I'm not saying I'm for or against it.

The very next proposal is to delay the fall season. It reads
Harvest data, based on catch-per-unit-effort, indicate that Washington’s forest grouse populations are in a long-term decline.

The two proposals seem rather contradictory, at least on the surface.

I thought the theory has always been that harvest of game birds by hunters has virtually no effect on the population numbers, as other things, like weather, is what really matters. At least I know that's what I was told 40 years ago in hunter education class.

[JimmyHoffa]

People act like 1 power scopes bring you closer view of the animal making it easier. All it does is allow a clearer site picture for people who have issues with eye site.
Although I can guess there are some that will try to stretch the law.

How would anyone know it was only 1X?  Would game wardens be out looking through everyone's optics?

I've played with 1X on some scopes and rangefinders.  Decent glass in low light makes a big difference.

[JimmyHoffa]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

Regardless of whether the spring season sounds like fun or not, the justification seems contradicted by the justification for the very next proposal is all I'm saying. Hard to have it both ways 

It would only be for males and would be by limited permit only. From the survey:

Implement a limited spring permit hunt for male dusky and sooty grouse and do not allow the use of hunting dogs for this hunt.

I would love to try hunting grouse in the spring.

I'm not saying I'm for or against it.

The very next proposal is to delay the fall season. It reads
Harvest data, based on catch-per-unit-effort, indicate that Washington’s forest grouse populations are in a long-term decline.

The two proposals seem rather contradictory, at least on the surface.

I thought the theory has always been that harvest of game birds by hunters has virtually no effect on the population numbers, as other things, like weather, is what really matters. At least I know that's what I was told 40 years ago in hunter education class.

You can hunt grouse Aug through March if you use a falconry bird.

[Bullkllr]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

Regardless of whether the spring season sounds like fun or not, the justification seems contradicted by the justification for the very next proposal is all I'm saying. Hard to have it both ways 

It would only be for males and would be by limited permit only. From the survey:

Implement a limited spring permit hunt for male dusky and sooty grouse and do not allow the use of hunting dogs for this hunt.

I would love to try hunting grouse in the spring.

I'm not saying I'm for or against it.

The very next proposal is to delay the fall season. It reads
Harvest data, based on catch-per-unit-effort, indicate that Washington’s forest grouse populations are in a long-term decline.

The two proposals seem rather contradictory, at least on the surface.

I thought the theory has always been that harvest of game birds by hunters has virtually no effect on the population numbers, as other things, like weather, is what really matters. At least I know that's what I was told 40 years ago in hunter education class.

You can hunt grouse Aug through March if you use a falconry bird.

It just seems funny for the WDFW to be promoting both expanding and cutting back grouse seasons.

[bobcat]

One of the proposals (#112 iirc) was for a spring grouse season. The very next proposal was to cutback grouse season because of downward population trends.

Makes me wonder how some of these proposals got as far as they did.

Oh really? Like Alaska? I've seen videos of them hunting blue grouse in the spring up there. They only kill the males. Shoot them out of trees. Looks like fun to me.

Regardless of whether the spring season sounds like fun or not, the justification seems contradicted by the justification for the very next proposal is all I'm saying. Hard to have it both ways 

It would only be for males and would be by limited permit only. From the survey:

Implement a limited spring permit hunt for male dusky and sooty grouse and do not allow the use of hunting dogs for this hunt.

I would love to try hunting grouse in the spring.

I'm not saying I'm for or against it.

The very next proposal is to delay the fall season. It reads
Harvest data, based on catch-per-unit-effort, indicate that Washington’s forest grouse populations are in a long-term decline.

The two proposals seem rather contradictory, at least on the surface.

I thought the theory has always been that harvest of game birds by hunters has virtually no effect on the population numbers, as other things, like weather, is what really matters. At least I know that's what I was told 40 years ago in hunter education class.

You can hunt grouse Aug through March if you use a falconry bird.

It just seems funny for the WDFW to be promoting both expanding and cutting back grouse seasons.

Not really expanding seasons when it would only be a limited permit opportunity.

[JimmyHoffa]

Yeah, Wdfw can sell all kinds of opportunity to make it look like hunter prospects are good, but really don't have to sacrifice many animals.
They could make a high grouse hunt and give a months worth of spring season, but how many would go into the wilderness in March and be successful.

[Bango skank]

Yeah, Wdfw can sell all kinds of opportunity to make it look like hunter prospects are good more money in application fees while game numbers decline, but really don't have to sacrifice many animals.
They could make a high grouse hunt and give a months worth of spring season, but how many would go into the wilderness in March and be successful.

Ftfy