New Moose rules

[KNOPHISH]

I see a new Master hunter hunt for moose which looks to be a late damage hunt but if drawn their OIL will be waived. I think that's BS. I think they could change it to not waived if not successful in harvest as I also see if drawn WDFW may not call if no nuisance reports are made. But if you do get your moose yer done. This is a pretty hard draw & can see a Master hunter taking multiple moose over the years when guys like me have been putting in for over 20 years. I think I remember this being on the proposals & I voted against it. Maybe set up a damage list like Montana, When they get a nuisance report they call who's on the list.

[Curly]

Are the MH permits for bulls?  If it allows for taking of bulls, I agree that they should not have their OIL waived.

[luvtohnt]

These nuisance hunts will be in highly populated areas. I am in no way insinuating you or anyone here has bad judgement, but how does WDFW know that unless you have taken some advanced training. I know as a MH that I won't put in for it because I would hate to get a call and already have other plans and miss out on the opportunity. The likeliness that anyone will actually get called to do a control hunt is slim to none. I have a few friends that draw some of the damage elk hunts every year and never get to go on them. You could always get your master hunter certification and be able to shoot multiple moose also.

Brandon

[Crunchy]

I didnt see that, but now that you brought it to my attention I might have to give it a shot.

[Skyvalhunter]

This is probably set up to be a damage control hunt and even if a person does draw there is no guarentee that you will get called to go. I have drawn some of these MH permits before and was never drawn. I wouldn't get your panties in a knot thinking that some MH is going to get drawn multiple years and shoot many different moose

[Rob]

At least they are using sportsmen for the damage control, and not calling in and paying professional hunters...

[Alan K]

It's an any moose hunt, but seeing as it starts on December 1st, in all likelyhood the bulls won't have their antlers anymore.

[Curly]

It's an any moose hunt, but seeing as it starts on December 1st, in all likelyhood the bulls won't have their antlers anymore.

Well, then they should not be limitted to OIL.  If someone draws a cow moose permit, they are allowed to keep applying and could potentially draw a Bull tag or another cow tag someday.......so I don't see why a December hunt should be much different.

[huntnphool]

so I don't see why a December hunt should be much different.

The difference Curly is that normal permit applicants that draw a cow moose tag loose all their points and have to start over.

[Curly]

so I don't see why a December hunt should be much different.

The difference Curly is that normal permit applicants that draw a cow moose tag loose all their points and have to start over.

Oh.......I didn't think about that.  I assumed that the MH permit would make them start over if drawn.  That does suck, then. 

[huntnphool]

Ya no kidding. The MH guys can draw, take a moose, and still retain their points. As I understand it since I have already drawn a moose tag, I should be able to take the MH program now and get the chance to take another. I had no interest in the program but if it means I can get another moose hunt you can bet your ass I will be doing it now. Not the purpose of the program?, tough sh#@, they wrote the rules and I'm going to take advantage of it.

[robodad]

Ya no kidding. The MH guys can draw, take a moose, and still retain their points. As I understand it since I have already drawn a moose tag, I should be able to take the MH program now and get the chance to take another. I had no interest in the program but if it means I can get another moose hunt you can bet your ass I will be doing it now. Not the purpose of the program?, tough sh#@, they wrote the rules and I'm going to take advantage of it.

Aren't you allowed to put in for cow tags even if you have drawn and killed your bull ??

[huntnphool]

No, you can only apply if you have not harvested a moose yet.

[robodad]

No, you can only apply if you have not harvested a moose yet.

OK so even if you harvested a cow you cannot even apply again ??

[huntnphool]

Affirmative

[robodad]

Affirmative

OK I'm a bit confused then, This is what it says in the rule book.

Who may apply: Anyone with the EXCEPTION of those who have harvested a moose in Washington. An individual may only harvest one moose during their lifetime (Waived for hunters who have harvested a moose in an antlerless only hunt, raffle hunt, or auction hunt)

So this leads me to believe that I could put in for and harvest a moose every year in antlerless only areas, Why cant those that have harvested a bull put in for antlerless only areas ??

[huntnphool]

Because they make the rules and we have to abide by them

[robodad]

Because they make the rules and we have to abide by them

Is that all you got ??

So a person could hunt cows year after year and the minute they kill a bull they cannot hunt moose in washington again, that makes no sense !!

Actually they dont even have to kill a bull if they hunt in an any moose hunt and kill a cow they are done !!

[huntnphool]

Thats correct, unless of course you are a Master Hunter, it seems they have their own set of rules.

[bowhunterforever]

So if you put in for a cow permit and draw/kill you loose all your points, But you can still put in to draw a bull tag right? Or if you draw a bull tag and kill a bull your points go back to 0 and you can still put in to draw a cow tag?

[huntnphool]

When I purchased all my tags this year moose didnt even show up on the list.

[huntnphool]

So if you put in for a cow permit and draw/kill you loose all your points, But you can still put in to draw a bull tag right? Or if you draw a bull tag and kill a bull your points go back to 0 and you can still put in to draw a cow tag?

Okay guys you're going to confuse everyone. Here it is, you apply for 10 years and never draw, you now have 10 points. The next year you decide to put in for a antlerless only hunt and draw, you will loose those points but will still be eligable to apply next year for another antlerless or any moose hunt. If on the other hand you take those 10 points and draw a any moose tag and harvest a bull, you are done for good. If you dont harvest a bull you can again apply for either hunt, you just start over with zero points.

[bowhunterforever]

Oh i thought even if you drew the any moose tag and killed a bull you could still put in for the cow tags cause there not once in a lifetime tags.

[huntnphool]

Nope, read it again. It says at the top of the page;

WHO MAY APPLY

Anyone with the EXCEPTION of those who have harvested a moose in
Washington. An individual may only harvest one moose during their lifetime.

(waived for hunters who have harvested a moose in an antlerless only hunt,
master hunter hunts, and raffle and auction hunts). See pages 70-71 for
application instructions.

[robodad]

Oh i thought even if you drew the any moose tag and killed a bull you could still put in for the cow tags cause there not once in a lifetime tags.

Apparently that only applies if you get drawn for an antlerless only permit, then you can apply for any other tag, and if you keep getting drawn for antlerless only tags you can keep applying and drawing every year, but as soon as you get an any moose permit and harvest any moose on that permit your done in Washington !!!

[huntnphool]

Excellent, you got it. Of course you do lose your points when you draw that antlerless tag and have to start over so the odds of getting a tag each year are one in a million at best but you are correct.

[bowhunterforever]

Dam that sucks, I guess i'll just keep putting in for the any moose tag and not for cow tags.

[huntnphool]

Just get a Master Hunters cert and you're good to go

[robodad]

Just get a Master Hunters cert and you're good to go

That sounds like a waste of time, besides I don't really want to hunt down a hornless moose thats knocking over someones fence in town, just don't sound fun !!! 

[KNOPHISH]

Or you could get lucky on the raffle to get your 2nd bull.

[luvtohnt]

Ya no kidding. The MH guys can draw, take a moose, and still retain their points. As I understand it since I have already drawn a moose tag, I should be able to take the MH program now and get the chance to take another. I had no interest in the program but if it means I can get another moose hunt you can bet your ass I will be doing it now. Not the purpose of the program?, tough sh#@, they wrote the rules and I'm going to take advantage of it.

That will work, but the likeliness of being called to go hunt the "problem moose" is probably less than actually drawing a any moose tag!!

Everyone,
For those who don't know this drawing is simply to have your name placed on a list, and if a problem moose needs to be culled they will start at the top of the list and call applicants until someone can come take care of it. Any special permit designated with HM (hunt master, or person in charge of problem animals for the area) after it is this way.

Brandon

[Curly]

I guess they feel that no MH's would apply if they were to lose all their points if they were to draw a permit?  Like someone else said, I guess it is better than to pay for removal of the problem moose.

[Craig]

They should change the rules so if you are on the list a d they do call you then your points are gone and your done with moose in Wa. If they don't call then you keep your points.

[luvtohnt]

They should change the rules so if you are on the list a d they do call you then your points are gone and your done with moose in Wa. If they don't call then you keep your points.

So then what happens when you no longer have any MH applying for that tag? Go back to paying someone else to remove the problem animals? Wouldn't you rather see someone who lives and hunts in WA get the oppurtunity rather than incuring more cost to us as hunter? I surly would rather let the same guy kill multiple problem animals, rather than paying some out of state guy to do it. For example I have seen numerous times an outfit from Idaho pulling dogs around in Cle Elum. I saw them at a gas station one day and aked what was up. Their response was we are hired cat trackers here to get rid of a problem couger. Now I know there are numerous people in WA that own hounds that would have loved the oppurtunity to go after that cat. Plus it would have saved the WDFW about $5,000.

Brandon

[Craig]

I bet $20 you will never see a moose hunt with 0 people putting in for it. You can put any rules you want to and people will still apply for the moose hunt. 

[KNOPHISH]

+1 on Craigs last 2 posts. make it $200

[huntnphool]

For those who don't know this drawing is simply to have your name placed on a list,

Thats just BS if you ask me. Why have 20 tags available then? If its because the first person on the list may decline, NOT LIKELY!!!!!, then they go to the next person, again BS.

I have a better solution, how about making a list starting with the 20,000 applicants that didnt draw that year? I bet any and all of them would jump at the chance.

No luv2hunt, don't even get it twisted, this is just an excuse to get the squeaky wheel what they want and its absolute BS in my not so humble opinion.

[billythekidrock]

For those who don't know this drawing is simply to have your name placed on a list,

Thats just BS if you ask me. Why have 20 tags available then? If its because the first person on the list may decline, NOT LIKELY!!!!!, then they go to the next person, again BS.

I have a better solution, how about making a list starting with the 20,000 applicants that didnt draw that year? I bet any and all of them would jump at the chance.

No luv2hunt, don't even get it twisted, this is just an excuse to get the squeaky wheel what they want and its absolute BS in my not so humble opinion.

I think the amount of tags has to do more with the amount of mortality and how they justify all tags.
Normally these types of hunts require the hunter to be available at the drop of a hat, typically while the animal is in the damage area.

Take their points and only wave the "lifetime" requirement if they harvest a cow.

Believe me, I don't think it is right either.
And that is coming from a MH member.

[Dansk]

I've drawn these masterhunter tags and was on the HM "list" for Elk.  I talked to the WDFW about the process after they notified me- i'd pretty much consider these hunts a waste of time.  BTK is right- you have to be available when they actually call- so if you've got a 9-5, or are a west-sider on an east-side list, you can forget it- by the time you get there, game might be over.  The dept just needs someone out there to pull the trigger at the problem animal- hence the list... they just keep calling down until help arrives.  That was the last HM tag I applied for- points or no.

Maybe give it to youth hunters, disabled, or seniors?  

[Up a Creek]

I've drawn these masterhunter tags and was on the HM "list" for Elk.  I talked to the WDFW about the process after they notified me- I'd pretty much consider these hunts a waste of time.  BTK is right- you have to be available when they actually call- so if you've got a 9-5, or are a west-sider on an east-side list, you can forget it- by the time you get there, game might be over.  The dept just needs someone out there to pull the trigger at the problem animal- hence the list... they just keep calling down until help arrives.  That was the last HM tag I applied for- points or no.

Maybe give it to youth hunters, disabled, or seniors?  

[I've drawn MH hunts for elk and have never been called either. It seems a lot of people  are getting worried about nothing, I dont think the total amount of moose tages availible to the general puplic should be lowered though.

As for youth disabled or seinors I have no problem with that, unless you have a kid get too excided and make a mistake in someones neiborhood. It would be good to have the hunt master oversee such hunts   /quote]

[boneaddict]

Why couldn't this be the same as Wyomings Bison.   You pay 7 bucks to be put on a bison list.  They start at the top and start calling.  I was 72nd last year but never got a call.  If you do get called you have to pony up 2,000(as a NR) and be there to shoot a bison.   Kinda along the same lines as hunphool was saying I believe. 

[Bob33]

"OK so even if you harvested a cow you cannot even apply again ??"

That depends on whether the cow was killed in an "any moose" or "antlerless only" hunt:

"Who May Apply:
Anyone with the EXCEPTION of those who have harvested a moose in
Washington. An individual may only harvest one moose during their lifetime
(waived for hunters who have harvested a moose in an antlerless only hunt,
master hunter hunts, and raffle and auction hunts)."