Master Hunters VOICE LOUD AND CLEAR!!!

[jackelope]

keep reading phool..he said:

Most likely, some of the tag purchasers will never get a call.

[huntnphool]

do you really think there's some guy out there with  8-10 moose points who's interested in burning his points to go kill a downtown nuisance moose out of somebody's back yard?

  Actually I would be willing to bet there are hundreds that would love to, how many put in for cow tags every year knowing they would lose their points. We have loads of guys on this forum posting all the time that its all about meat.

[buck470]

A couple of thoughs before I run off to my son's game.

#1 No state program is with out it's flaws, but they are trying to fix this one, join put in your 2 cents, don't join, put in your 2 cents. Either way i believe these guy's want to hear your calm, educated idea's.

#2 As a "Master Hunter" i feel the name needs to change, to many people take the MASTER Part of the Name wrong, either there out hunting thinking there GOD because they are a MH, or someone that is a good steward and an exellent shot, who hasn't joined, get offened " oh those guy think there Master's because they took a test! HAH!"

Just bitching isn't going to get any thing Done, revert back to Item #1

[huntnphool]

keep reading phool..he said:

Most likely, some of the tag purchasers will never get a call.

 The point is Jackelope that 20 of them will, I couldn't care less about the ones that don't get the call.

[huntnphool]

Good points buck470!!!

[Crunchy]

I hunted a unit where I was given the gate codes for WH property under the AHE program last year.  I took my 15 year old nephew and we hiked in from the gate, leaviing our truck behind.  We were able to kill an elk about 1.5 miles in.  I was very happy to finally harvest something with my nephew (after many tries)and show him how to care for an animal once it was down.  We then quartered and packed two quarters the miles and a half back to the truck to show him how much work was involved, knowing we could have just walked back to the truck and driven back and loaded it all.  We then used the gate key and retrieved the rest of the elk (I'm not that stupid).  I see no problem with any of that.  We DIDNT just drive around looking for a herd of elk to shoot, stop the truck and let loose on them.  

[huntnphool]

I may be the minority Crunchy but I don't see a problem using access like that for retrieval, either with a vehicle or quad. I think most get upset at the guys ripping around road hunting.

[Skyvalhunter]

It says 20 permits but that doesnt say any will get a call. The MH will be put on the Hunt Masters list and he will work down the list if there a problem moose. Chances are no calls. Same as when I drew a elk damage hunt and there were 15 permits. No one got called. Its not like the MH'ers will be going out shooting some bull with big antlers. They will have dropped them by then and this is a way for the state to remove problem moose. If a MH does get a chance to shoot one then hopefully he uses his ethical training and public relations in a manner to which he was trained and tested.

[luvtohnt]

    Because I haven't read a book and taken a test? If you truly believe your MH's to be "higher caliber" than myself and so many others on this site and around the state simply because of some "program" then you truly are an ignorant fool.

I would never assume that. I just know from the WDFW's point of view myself, who has completed the MH training, is better suited in this situation then you. I don't think it is true, even though I have never met you ,you seem to be a very honest person. But how does the WDFW know that you are truley an honest person unless you have proven yourself?

Brandon

[huntnphool]

But how does the WDFW know that you are truley an honest person unless you have proven yourself?

  Point taken

[boneaddict]

It is intended to put city moms and dads at ease that their children can go outside at recess (Yes, in Spokane we have school and recess even with 3-4 feet of snow.

I would just assume that you master hunters, with the exception of only a few, weren't shooting moose on my daughters playground while she was at recess.  Then again, I'm not a city mom or Dad.    Considering that master hunter with higher standards that I often refer too couldn't hit the broadside of a barn and the last two animals he shot, he first shot off their noses before finally getting a killing shot out of 5-7 rounds....... yes thats why I laugh every time I hear the term.  He also thinks he is the cats meow too. LOL  

basically what I am saying as teh WDFW needs to deal with those animals on a professional basis. If they have to put them down then donate the meat to the food bank.  WE DO NOT NEED hunters to be doing this.  Very poor on their image I would believe even to logical people.  

[RyanD]

I hunted a unit where I was given the gate codes for WH property under the AHE program last year.  I took my 15 year old nephew and we hiked in from the gate, leaviing our truck behind.  We were able to kill an elk about 1.5 miles in.  I was very happy to finally harvest something with my nephew (after many tries)and show him how to care for an animal once it was down.  We then quartered and packed two quarters the miles and a half back to the truck to show him how much work was involved, knowing we could have just walked back to the truck and driven back and loaded it all.  We then used the gate key and retrieved the rest of the elk (I'm not that stupid).  I see no problem with any of that.  We DIDNT just drive around looking for a herd of elk to shoot, stop the truck and let loose on them. 

Congrats on the elk and showing a young hunter the proper ways!!  That is great.  I commend you and your efforts and you were justly rewarded, but I do believe you are the minority.  I agree with what huntnphool says, I dont have a problem with drive in access for retrieval it is the driving around and hunting when the rest of us have non motorized access.  Again no jealousy just don't understand it?

Oh wow. There's only one program and way to prove your worth and ethics I guess. Way to go. Alienate people. Well done.

Absolutely

I'm saying I have proven that I am...you haven't.  If you feel you are, then enroll in the program and prove it...   

I didn't realize that enrolling in the MH program automatically proves your ethics and makes you a higher caliber individual than myself. 

[huntnphool]

The MH will be put on the Hunt Masters list and he will work down the list if there a problem moose. Chances are no calls.

  Come on guys, did you not read Goiamo's post? Let me put it out here again.

WDFW had as many as 5 moose a day to coax, haze, or trap/transfer out of Spokane residential areas this winter.  (Come talk to our local enforcement officers to see if 20 would have been enough tags

  By his own admition there were so many problem moose they were wondering if the 20 tags would be enough to handle the problems. Did I just read this wrong?

[billythekidrock]

You know it is pretty sickening, yet funny, to read both MH and non-MH go back and forth.

If you think about it the MH program could be the future of hunting in WA. Non members should look into it and not take all the internet banter as gospel. Ask questions of longtime members and get their perspective. A lot of the new members still have stars in their eyes while the longtime members are a bit calloused to the whole thing.

As for the MH hunts. Most are not hunts and should not be called that. They could be called a depredation harvest. A lot don't require hiking many miles or spike camps, but they do require a lot of local knowledge and interpersonal skills depending on the situation.

As for MH permit hunts. Many are through a Hunt Master and it is on an "as needed basis". You can get drawn and not get a call. This is more then likely the case with these moose permits. I would be willing to bet that Westside MH's will not be able to apply as they will want someone who can arrive at the drop of a hat.

As for points on damage hunts. MH's don't lose acquired points, but they also don't accrue points if drawn.

As a MH I would like them to loose all moose point for hunts.

A whole other thread could be started on the need for damage moose hunts, and while I am happy our population is growing, I can see the need for some depredation hunts.

Obviously those with personal agendas and special interest groups will have problems with the program and will never even atempt to see the other side, but I guess that leaves more room for the rest of us.

[jackelope]

well what does it mean when he posts that and then this? as i already put on here, and i'll put it on here again.

Most likely, some of the tag purchasers will never get a call.

as in there won't be enough problem calls to get all the MH tag holders a call for a moose shooting.(i won't call it a hunt)

someone is reading wrong or writing wrong, one or the other.